Posts: 21,249 Threads: 587 Likes Received: 8,962 in 6,632 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 787 06-Oct-2019, 11:44 AM (This post was last modified: 06-Oct-2019, 12:05 PM by SnowLeopardFPV.) (06-Oct-2019, 10:47 AM)oleeg Wrote: My biggest pain is what Frsky did with the "old" Horus X10.
I'm using an X10 with R9 and both are the non ACCESS version. Even with the upgrade kit for the X10 I need to spend lot of money to change everything to ACCESS compatible. I already sold my old Taranis 9XD+ radio and now as I've seen these positive news regarding the T16 I'm really thinking to sell the X10 and buy a T16 and crossfire to get rid of Frsky completely. Yes, that is one of the biggest shockers in all of this. Their flagship $400 transmitter has been crippled unless you pay out for an upgrade module, but then you lose D8 mode meaning you also have to buy a multiprotocol module if you have a need to connect to any D8 receivers. All of this is why I made the decision to abandon the R9 system and move over to Crossfire. Thankfully I didn't already invest any real money in the R9 system. All I have is an R9M (non-2019) module and an R9MM receiver which came in a promotional combo package that FrSky had on sale last year for ~$35 which I never got round to installing in anything. Now it will just sit in the box gathering dust or maybe used for experimental purposes. This all means that I don't really care about ACCESS anymore and will just continue to use my X9D+ with FrSky 2.4GHz ACCST receivers for any small quads (whoops, toothpicks etc.), and use Crossfire for anything that is 3" and bigger. And if my X9D+ ever dies I will just replace it with a Jumper T16 (or whatever else new comes out from Jumper at that point in time) knowing that I can still use it with my existing ACCST receivers and also with my Crossfire module, so it's a win-win. ![[-]](https://intofpv.com/images/collapse.png) • Posts: 12,099 Threads: 125 Likes Received: 3,739 in 2,836 posts Likes Given: 99 Joined: Feb 2017 Reputation: 388 (06-Oct-2019, 10:18 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: The same thing crossed my mind but the unencrypted ACCST protocol has already be reverse engineered (one of the reasons for them moving to the encrpyted ACCESS protocol) so there are a number of receivers out there from other manufacturers that are already using it. The Beeceiver from reputable manufacturer NewBeeDrone HERE is just one example.
Also, don't forget that the Jumper multiprotocol module can connect to other manufacturer receivers like Flysky and Spektrum so you don't just have to use FrSky receivers. With the Jumper, the world is your Oyster 
That aside, the R-XSR and XM+ can still be loaded with ACCST firmware so unless FrSky start selling locked down versions of those receivers that for only allowing ACCESS firmware to be flashed to them (which they could implement in the bootloader if they wanted to), then we can still use 2.4GHz FrSky receivers with the ACCST protocol firmware. Even the new R9 "OTA" receivers can still have ACCST firmware flashed to them.
The current ACCST firmware seems pretty stable with the last firmware update for the XM+ being from back in 2017 and for the R-XSR they did a minor bug fix update back in March this year, so I don't think they will be developing the ACCST firmware any further for those receivers which means it's pretty much set in stone. All new development now seems to be gong int the new ACCESS protocol firmware. Just make sure you grab copies of all the ACCST firmware for the R-XSR and XM+ before they decide to remove it from their website! This is my worry, that Frsky will do something like lock out new receivers. And if we go to a difference manufacturer, we are going back to SBUS/S. Port. Boohoo, no more F. Port. • Posts: 12,099 Threads: 125 Likes Received: 3,739 in 2,836 posts Likes Given: 99 Joined: Feb 2017 Reputation: 388 (06-Oct-2019, 02:46 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: I haven't watched the video, but this is interesting development.
Jumper is still relying on Frsky receiver. I wonder if Jumper will release their own receivers. Apparently Jumper already makes the R1 receiver. Clone of XSR and can even use XSR firmware. • Posts: 1,197 Threads: 59 Likes Received: 592 in 395 posts Likes Given: 210 Joined: Mar 2019 Reputation: 42 (10-Oct-2019, 03:44 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: Apparently Jumper already makes the R1 receiver. Clone of XSR and can even use XSR firmware. Can I use this with me qx7 ACCST? • Posts: 6,111 Threads: 172 Likes Received: 2,285 in 1,832 posts Likes Given: 4,735 Joined: Feb 2019 Reputation: 100 • Posts: 1,197 Threads: 59 Likes Received: 592 in 395 posts Likes Given: 210 Joined: Mar 2019 Reputation: 42 (10-Oct-2019, 04:31 AM)hugnosed_bat Wrote: http://www.multirotorguide.com/news/frsk...ccess-ota/
new receiver family “The Archer receivers are specially designed for ACCESS transmitters. We already have sufficient ACCST D16 receivers like XM (XM and XM+), X (X8R,RX4R, RX6R, RX8R Pro, G-RX6 and G-RX8), and S (S6R and S8R)series receivers to meet different needs of customers, and we have no plan to discontinue these receivers by now.” They have no plan to discontinue, but I wonder if they'll discontinue the non-OTA models so they can't be used with ACCST tx's? • Posts: 12,099 Threads: 125 Likes Received: 3,739 in 2,836 posts Likes Given: 99 Joined: Feb 2017 Reputation: 388 (10-Oct-2019, 04:11 AM)bffigjam Wrote: Can I use this with me qx7 ACCST? It is D8 and D16 compatible, so yes you should be able to. • Posts: 12,099 Threads: 125 Likes Received: 3,739 in 2,836 posts Likes Given: 99 Joined: Feb 2017 Reputation: 388 I did some more digging and it is a complete copy of the XSR. Considering the XSR sells for the same price, I wouldn't buy the Jumper. $10, then we are talking. • Posts: 21,249 Threads: 587 Likes Received: 8,962 in 6,632 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 787 10-Oct-2019, 09:32 AM (This post was last modified: 10-Oct-2019, 10:33 AM by SnowLeopardFPV.) (10-Oct-2019, 03:44 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: Apparently Jumper already makes the R1 receiver. Clone of XSR and can even use XSR firmware. (10-Oct-2019, 06:03 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: I did some more digging and it is a complete copy of the XSR. Considering the XSR sells for the same price, I wouldn't buy the Jumper. $10, then we are talking. The Jumper R1 receiver is just a rebrand of the Hobbymate Micro receiver ( HERE). Albert Kim did a review of it earlier this year ( HERE). It's size is somewhere halfway between the the XSR and the R-XSR. The XSR is now officially discontinued by FrSky but I would still pay a few dollars more the the R-XSR over the R1. With the Hobbymate/R1 you will be stuck with the two-wire SBUS/S.Port protocol, so if the single wire FPORT protocol is a of interest then this receiver is off the table. Even though you are supposed to be able to use XSR firmware on the Hobbymate/R1, the FPORT firmware for the XSR never made it out of a beta version ( HERE) so I wouldn't risk using it. It's also not clear if the SBUS/S.Port output signals on the Hobbymate/R1 are inverted or uninverted and the only documentation I can find is a PDF download HERE but it only contains basic information and nothing that useful. The R1 version isn't even listed on the official Jumper website ( HERE) so I think that Jumper simply just took Hobbymate's product and rebranded it as their own under license. For other peoples reference, there is a useful roundup list of all current FrSky compatible receivers on the following web page... http://www.multirotorguide.com/news/frsky-receivers-roundup-telemetery-d8-d16-rssi-ppm-sbus Posts: 21,249 Threads: 587 Likes Received: 8,962 in 6,632 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 787 10-Oct-2019, 05:18 PM (This post was last modified: 10-Oct-2019, 07:15 PM by SnowLeopardFPV. Edit Reason: Added an "EDIT" line to the post. ) Pawel just posted a teardown video showing the hardware differences between the original R9M module (non ACCESS compatible) and an R9M "2019" module (ACCESS compatible). I haven't had chance to watch it yet but will do so a bit later.
EDIT: I noticed that Pawel has one of the older pre-2019 R9M modules with the black casing so I just opened up my newer pre-2019 R9M module with an orange casing and can confirm that the circuit is identical to the one with the black casing. The only difference is that on my pre-2019 orange one, the two header pin blocks are missing like on the 2019 R9M module.
• Posts: 5,323 Threads: 674 Likes Received: 3,160 in 1,747 posts Likes Given: 2,032 Joined: Jan 2016 Reputation: 139 Just sold all my R9 stuff today, bye bye frsky • Posts: 12,099 Threads: 125 Likes Received: 3,739 in 2,836 posts Likes Given: 99 Joined: Feb 2017 Reputation: 388 (10-Oct-2019, 10:35 PM)Oscar Wrote: Just sold all my R9 stuff today, bye bye frsky Another celebrity jumps ship. You won't be the last. • Posts: 21,249 Threads: 587 Likes Received: 8,962 in 6,632 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 787 (10-Oct-2019, 10:35 PM)Oscar Wrote: Just sold all my R9 stuff today, bye bye frsky Now you got me wondering if I should just sell the R9 stuff I have and completely wash my hands of it all rather than hanging onto it. Now is probably the best time to sell before ACCESS properly takes hold and completely devalues all of the pre-2019 modules and receivers. • Posts: 1,197 Threads: 59 Likes Received: 592 in 395 posts Likes Given: 210 Joined: Mar 2019 Reputation: 42 (11-Oct-2019, 12:14 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: Now you got me wondering if I should just sell the R9 stuff I have and completely wash my hands of it all rather than hanging onto it. Now is probably the best time to sell before ACCESS properly takes hold and completely devalues all of the pre-2019 modules and receivers. I know I'm definitely saving up for CF..... got a mate that'll buy my R9 gear, he's probably reading this too  • Posts: 77 Threads: 8 Likes Received: 50 in 33 posts Likes Given: 32 Joined: May 2019 Reputation: 2 (11-Oct-2019, 01:50 AM)bffigjam Wrote: I know I'm definitely saving up for CF.....
got a mate that'll buy my R9 gear, he's probably reading this too Sounds good to me if Frsky doesn't want to support their QX7 transmitter users with ACCESS firmware support. • |
