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FAA Launches Recreational Pilot Test - TRUST
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For those in the USA who haven't already seen the announcements, the FAA have now released what they call their TRUST system (The Recreational UAV Safety Test). All recreational pilots in the US are required to take the test and get a certificate in order to be able to fly their drones/quads legally, even if you have a Part 107 licence. There are no weight concessions so even pilots who only fly sub-250g quads still need to take and pass the test.

DJ Drone Article: https://dronedj.com/2021/06/22/new-faa-t...ts-is-here

On the face of it this seems to be a fairly simple test to do, but I guess it's just more bureaucracy and will end up being yet more ammunition for the authorities to come down on you if they catch you flying a drone and find that you aren't in possession of a TRUST certificate.

The test can be taken at one of the following providers and the cost is FREE:- Russ summarises everything nicely in the video below...

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Just the thought of all the people let off the hook for property desctruction, arson, theft, assault and battery the last year and a half. But flying your whirlybird toy in the park is going to get you in serious trouble.

ugh Rolleyes
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Yeah, I posted about this at the beginning of the month.  No one seemed to care.  

And yes the test was watered down from the original design.  I guess maybe someone in the FPV world has the FAA's ear and they mellowed out.

The test is just one more cog in the development of a case against you.  Because you need the test, and by taking the test you are in the database.  And if you fail to do the other things required for flight, like your individual markers on your sUAV, flying BVLOS, etc. you have already proven you know what you can do and can't.  

The FAA is coming hard at the hobby, and the big dogs on YT are learning this the hard way.  It won't get easier, only more difficult to fly and avoid negative consequences in the hobby.



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We have all the same BS going on in the UK. The difference being is that if we take the test we actually have to register all of our details with the UK government / CAA. At least this FAA test in the US is just an "offline" test where none of your details are captured or stored by anyone. It does however beg the question how anyone in authority would be able to verify that you actually took and passed a test because there is (supposedly) nothing stored in any central database, so once people see what the certificate looks like I'm sure it would be easy enough to knock something up in Photoshop. Not that I condone doing that of course Whistling This all seems to be just more "lip service" to me which keeps someone at the FAA in a job Rolleyes

EDIT: @Krohsis - this is a FREE test where no details about you are captured (supposedly), so maybe it's different to the one that you previously posted about (?)
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Has anyone seen one of these certificates?

Does anyone have a picture of the FAA TRUST certificate?
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Took me like 8 mins Smile
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(24-Jun-2021, 05:57 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote:  

  where no details about you are captured (supposedly),  

Yeah, I don't trust my government.

I did take the test, didn't read any of the material, just took the test and got a 100% in about 4 minutes.

So it isn't a difficult test, mostly common sense.

I don't see the value of it other than being used as a cudgel against you if you eff up.



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#8
It looks to me like the FAA is trying to destroy the hobby...regardless of what they or anyone else may say.

Is this not an inquisition  Huh

You mean every child that gets a toy drone will have to take a test just to fly it. That is so absurd that is beyond ridiculous. If the FAA pushes it that hard, then you can say goodbye to toy drones...and basically any drone. These things seem like inconsequential small chrisms that will turn into cracks which will expand to deep ravines and eventually {maybe sooner than we think} break up and destroy the hobby for all intents and purposes. Stand up, be counted, and you will be punished.

From what I can tell, pretty much all FPV is essentially illegal in one way or another. Consider that FPV pretty much negates LOS regulations. Even with a spotter, just try to keep track of that tiny dot in the sky. The very instant that someone {either the pilot or the spotter} can not see it, then that is beyond visual line of sight.

It saddens me to see the hobby crushed like this.  Cry
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(24-Jun-2021, 06:45 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Has anyone seen one of these certificates?

Does anyone have a picture of the FAA TRUST certificate?

Here it is, the number after EASY is 11 digits all numbers:

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So as an FPV pilot this is how a lot of people could end up shooting themselves in the foot if they get approached and asked to produce their FAA TRUST certificate. Because by having the certificate with that explicit wording on you have evidence that you signed up to and agreed to the VLOS rule, so there is no more pleading ignorance. Not that ever doing so was an excuse, but in some cases it can get you off with warning and a second chance. Unfortunately not being in possession of an FAA TRUST certificate can also potentially get you in trouble, so it's a lose-lose situation all round.


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;-) its a missunderstanding, they wrote it wrong... line of sight is just for fireworks, an advice that you dont miss the colours ;-) just fly and enjoy, they was jealous and they will stay jealous xD the solution is just all should fly fpv:-)

the funny thing on all that, in my area the airplane company sponsering the local racing league xD
just some stupid society which cause such a law, the knowledgable people about airspace arent that stupid...
what an organization is the faa, doesnt they know a true manned airplane pilot? ;-)
its a rule for all primates, the dominant apes arent the intelligent ones :-)

we should laughter about and dont care, its hopeless overall.
only thing i see as a possibility, we should make a worldwide insurance for fpv pilots in case of individual law conflicts. as bigger as better, but are we that much of a community? or does the regular pilot think in short steps and does sign the illegality of fpv by this test?
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Took about three minutes, scored 100% and did not require any reading at all. Did not even read a few of the questions, spotted a “buzzword” in the answers (multiple choice) and selected it…and was rewarded a CORRECT.
SoCal Kaity :D
OMG, no one told me it would be this much fun!  Addicted :)
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@servo, thanks for posting the certificate.

While they may say otherwise, the FAA is indicating that FPV flight is essentially illegal unless you are fully registered and have Remote ID. {Yeah, I am not even sure about that anymore}. So...if you take all the tests, register as pilot, use Remote ID...maybe register the quad...even then...is it really legal to fly FPV beyond visual line of sight  Huh   

As clearly stated, flying beyond visual line of sight is prohibited which essentially infers that FPV flight is prohibited {at least for recreational use}. I know it does not specifically say that FPV flight is illegal, but tell me just how to stay within visual line of sight while flying FPV. Keep in mind, that the actual distance is totally irrelevant; it is what you can actually see with the naked eye from the launch point. To illustrate, on a foggy day visual line of sight might be 10 feet or about 3 meters; on a clear day it might be a couple of hundred feet or about 50-80 meters... maybe more. At any time where you can not see the quad then you no longer have visual line of sight. Yeah, those punch outs to the sky are pretty much out of sight if even for a few seconds.

The truth about visual line of sight is that you don't really know how far away the quad is when wearing goggles...you just don't. So, how do you know when you are out of visual site...you don't; not really. As for a spotter; yeah right; my wife and I discovered early on that "spotting" a small quad is near impossible. First, they are small and just hard to see. Plus, it is quite a challenge for a human to actually track the thing; they move too fast even with my more relaxed, cruiser, style of flying. So here it is...how can one possibly fly FPV and be in compliance?

Now, if the flight is going to be considered illegal by the FAA anyway, why bother with the TRUST certificate  Huh    

On the other hand, I guess it is at least something to show {and hope who ever is questioning you doesn't read or know the fine print}. Now, that is something to consider. Perhaps it is more about perception than reality. Showing a TRUST certificate does show some measure of intent to be compliant...even if you are not. Then there is always the concept of whether are not the flight is compliant and where is the proof  Huh

This whole game will be about two (2) things: 

1) Enforcement:

How the regulations will be administered. The FAA wants the local authorities {the Police} to both make the determination and to do the enforcing. So, to some extent, it could be all over the board depending on where you live, the attitude of local police, who you know, what they let you get away with. In some places there may little concern about it and you might get away with it. Maybe get a police officer to fly with and fly with him. As long as he approves then who is to question it.

On the other hand, the local authorities might have a dislike for drones and be out to get you. Plus, it might even vary from officer to officer within the same locale. Who is to say  Huh

2) Evasion: 

Now we are talking about not getting caught. The first part about evasion is flying a quad that is not seen nor heard. You know, stealthy. Something small that makes very little noise and that is flown at higher altitude. For example, a 3 inch quad running penta-blade props being flown at an altitude of about 350-375 feet or 100-115 meters. Something that would be pretty much invisible from the ground...not seen and not heard. For all intents and purposes, it simply doesn't exist. If no one knows it is there, then no reason to call the authorities. 

Where is my Klingon cloaking device  Huh

The next thing is location. If you have a rural location that essentially has no people, then you are probably safe...maybe. Even some rural locations might be better than others. On the other hand, it gets a bit more challenging if you live in a city or heavily populated area. Some parks might still be viable and some might not; it sort of depends on where it is located and whether or not there are a lot of people.  Fly in isolated locations where there are no people. It is all about the people. If no one is around, then who would call the authorities. Keep the quad away from people. 

So, what if someone, anyone, approaches the pilot while flying FPV. The first thing is parking the drone {hopefully where it can be retrieved}. Then you simple say that you are playing a video game {oh yeah, always have a computer with a sim on it...in case you have to demonstrate}. Will you get away with it? Well maybe...there would be no way to prove it; especially if he can't find the drone. What evidence  Huh

Finally, there is my old catch phrase "Fly It Like You Stole It". Quite simply, that means only stay at any one location the minimum amount of time for a flight then leave. Prep the quad ahead of time so you don't have to fiddle with it before flight. You arrive at a location prepared, get the quad in the air as quickly as possible, FLY, get things picked up quickly, and LEAVE. Be quick about it. Don't linger around. Also, don't be a "regular"...use different times and/or different places. 

The Long Rangers might consider point to point rather than out and back. Pick a "fly to" destination, take off, fly to that destination, land, then either have someone at the location to pick up the quad or trust it will be there until you can arrive to retrieve it. Yeah, you might want to hold back on actually picking it up just to be sure no one is "waiting" for you. Still has a lot of risks especially at the designated land location.

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I really don't see where having a TRUST certificate makes it legal. 
Just the opposite, it pretty much infers that FPV is illegal and that you KNOW it.
That said, at least it is something to show someone and an indication that you are trying to be compliant.

Now, I am NOT suggesting that anyone do anything illegal...just laying the cards on the table as I see it.

Here is the game. Do you want to play  Huh  If so, how do you want to play  Huh
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What visual line of sight??

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JB touches on the points surrounding VLOS and BVLOS at 6:43 into the video below. I'm sure he purposely clicked on the wrong answer for that particular question to make a point Big Grin

Some of the people's views in the comments under the video also make an interesting read.

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