So my 5" build is done and I am happy with how it flies just trying to find the prop pitch I am happy with through trial and error.  My 4s 3.5" on 1504.5 motors is also done.  I got it down to 220-250 grams depending on battery and its an absolute joy to fly.  My 4s phantom 2.5" is also a blast to fly but its very fragile so breaks every time I crash it.  And with the 3.5" and 5" keeping me occupied I dont think i am going to fix it this go around.  So I have everything I need for another 4s build.  Mamaba 40A AIO FC, Walksnail lite VTX and camera, RCinpower 1804 3950Kv motors.  All except frame and props.  I was thinking a cinewhoop would be perfect to add to the fleet for hikes, beach days, boats.  But I am starting to get the the stink eye from the other half looking at the bank account lol.  I was looking at the Cinebot 30 frame but $70 is a bit steep. Any other cheaper cinewhoop frame options that you all recommend in the 3" range?  Or suggestions to take the build to something else?

Maybe its me, but I never liked cinewhoops and just end up deducting them. No LR build next? I guess 1804 motors are a little beefy for a 4" LR but maybe a 4" MR build? You would need a more powerful VTX, or go with analog. Do you hear the mountains calling?

However if you want a cheap/light 3" cinewhoop, I liked the older Cinelog30 and can probably find that for around $30. The ducts are very flimsy though, but it does come with two spares. It has a nice action cam suspension mount (I think same as the Cinebot) that is quite effective with lighter cameras.

I've been looking at a Cloud149 Frame, 3", prop guards are very minimal in comparison to some frames.

https://www.robotonbd.com/reptile-cloud149-v2/

Don't know if you will get the WS on it, but it says it will take a Vista, so maybe.

I just want to build one not so much as a cinewhoop, but to have a 3" whoop, I will probably not fly it like you are supposed to fly CineWhoops. Probably fly it in some freestyle type way, diving down cliffs and buildings, going through gaps and holes. Just have as much fun as possible.