Ouch!! (At least you got rid of those two extra blades...)

Im in. Although Im not sure what Id contribute. Im still new and learning as I go. It sounds like a great idea though.

Great!

I'll finish putting together an example segment on failsafe this weekend if I get the chance.then it might gove you some ideas. From there you can just pick out a topic or two or three from the op and put something together

We could probably add solder saftey to the list also. 
 
As soon as I can find it, ill share a hilarious "what not to do" about electronics from Electroboom

Edit: there are some "what not to do" soldering tips also
Note: as far as I know he is an electrical engineer and these are supposed to be controlled fails. Either way DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME! enjoy!

Great idea...

I think we are at a point where we can divide the concept into 3 pieces:

Primary safety issues: The most important stuff that new and experienced pilots should get right in order to avoid this hobby being one that is associated with injury.
Secondary safety issues: Issues that matter but others have clearly defined such as AMA/Government (I think the secondary items could have a single clip to them to talk about)
References: All of the other, already great videos, of fails/issues/don't do-its... These can easily be links in the description field.


In the mean time I am going to add soldering safety to the OP

Awesome.

Primary, Secondary, Reference:

Alright, open for opinions from the group. To share your thoughts on which topics should be Primary and Secondary safety topics, and then which should be links to existing videos please quote this post and organize the following list into the categories at the end. After I submit this post I'll come back later and post an example.

• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench
  
• Don't use motor_stop, even if you're tempted.
  
• Set your failsafe based on your personal preferences (maybe some recommendations on soft landing or disarm. I've heard arguments for both)
  
• Always know where your radio is when retrieving your quad. If in doubt take it with you. And don't accidentally arm your quad when its in someone else's hand!
  
• Proper care and transport of lipos / fire safety
  
• Don't fly over or at people
  
• Don't land too close to people or yourself, especially without disabling air mode.
  
• Join or at least follow the guidelines of a respected modelers club such as the AMA (To cover all the basics)
  
• Always be safe when working with electricity/soldering
  
• Don't fly near airports and check your local/regional laws regarding RC flight and RF transmissions (such as 5.8GHz for FPV video)
  

(copy and paste from the items above into the categories below)
Primary safety issues: The most important stuff that new and experienced pilots should get right in order to avoid this hobby being one that is associated with injury.



Secondary safety issues: Issues that matter but others have clearly defined such as AMA/Government (I think the secondary items could have a single clip to them to talk about)



References: All of the other, already great videos, of fails/issues/don't do-its... These can easily be links in the description field.

Here is an example of how to share your suggestion:

(23-Apr-2017, 10:38 AM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: Primary, Secondary, Reference:

Alright, open for opinions from the group. To share your thoughts on which topics should be Primary and Secondary safety topics, and then which should be links to existing videos please quote this post and organize the following list into the categories at the end. After I submit this post I'll come back later and post an example.

(copy and paste from the items above into the categories below)
Primary safety issues: The most important stuff that new and experienced pilots should get right in order to avoid this hobby being one that is associated with injury.

• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench
  
• Proper care and transport of lipos / fire safety
  
• Don't use motor_stop, even if you're tempted.
  
• Set your failsafe based on your personal preferences (maybe some recommendations on soft landing or disarm. I've heard arguments for both)
  
• Always know where your radio is when retrieving your quad. If in doubt take it with you. And don't accidentally arm your quad when its in someone else's hand!
  
• Join or at least follow the guidelines of a respected modelers club such as the AMA (To cover all the basics)
  
• Don't land too close to people or yourself, especially without disabling air mode.
  

Secondary safety issues: Issues that matter but others have clearly defined such as AMA/Government (I think the secondary items could have a single clip to them to talk about)

• Don't fly over or at people
  
• Don't fly near airports and check your local/regional laws regarding RC flight and RF transmissions (such as 5.8GHz for FPV video)
  

References: All of the other, already great videos, of fails/issues/don't do-its... These can easily be links in the description field.

• Always be safe when working with electricity/soldering
  
• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (To include hotdog video)
  

I think you need to subdivide those into..

Personal Safety, when you are by yourself
Group Flying Safety, when you fly or race with other people
Regional Safety, abide by local regulations and laws.

As for your safety stuff...
what's wrong with motor stop?
for fpv racing, you always want the quad to drop out of sky and never wind down when signal is lost
I always just turn off my tx before getting up and retrieving my quad
we usually set takeoff and landing areas.

(26-Apr-2017, 07:19 PM)trojanGoat Wrote: I think you need to subdivide those into..

Personal Safety,  when you are by yourself
Group Flying Safety,  when you fly or race with other people
Regional Safety,  abide by local regulations and laws.

As for your safety stuff...
what's wrong with motor stop?
for fpv racing, you always want the quad to drop out of sky and never wind down when signal is lost
I always just turn off my tx before getting up and retrieving my quad
we usually set takeoff and landing areas.

I don't know if subdividing would work but perhaps calling out each would be a good idea

I could put icons on the screen (If I can figure out how) to represent Y (Your safety), O (Other's Safety), R (Regional safety).

So my assessment is as follows:

Primary safety issues: The most important stuff that new and experienced pilots should get right in order to avoid this hobby being one that is associated with injury.

• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (Y)
  
• Proper care and transport of lipos / fire safety (Y,O)
  
• Don't use motor_stop, even if you're tempted. (Y,O)
  
• Set your failsafe to drop (O)
  
• Always know where your radio is when retrieving your quad. If in doubt take it with you. (Y)
  
• Join or at least follow the guidelines of a respected modelers club such as the AMA (Y,O,R)
  
• Don't land too close to people or yourself, especially without disabling air mode. (Y,O)
  

Secondary safety issues: Issues that matter but others have clearly defined such as AMA/Government (I think the secondary items could have a single clip to them to talk about)

• Don't fly over or at people (O,R)
  
• Don't fly near airports and check your local/regional laws regarding RC flight and RF transmissions (such as 5.8GHz for FPV video) (O,R)
  

References: All of the other, already great videos, of fails/issues/don't do-its... These can easily be links in the description field.

• Always be safe when working with electricity/soldering (Y)
  
• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (To include hotdog video) (Y)
  

For motor stop... The consensus of some recent discussions here on the board was that motor stop causes a quad to be potentially dangerous without any indication that it's live. By having motors spinning when the quad is armed it is clear to bystanders who may be interested in picking the quad up after a crash that it is still active and dangerous to pick up. I am open to removing this if there is disagreement that this makes things safer.

For turning off the TX, I always worry about something going wrong with the failsafe if I cut radio after a crash so I leave mine on. However I did once accidentally arm my quad when it was in someone else's hands and I felt horrible about it so now my taranis is set up to ignore the arm switch until I pull down 2 other switches that I previously wasn't using. This way it's double and triple safe.

(26-Apr-2017, 07:39 PM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: I don't know if subdividing would work but perhaps calling out each would be a good idea

I could put icons on the screen (If I can figure out how) to represent Y (Your safety), O (Other's Safety), R (Regional safety).

So my assessment is as follows:

Primary safety issues: The most important stuff that new and experienced pilots should get right in order to avoid this hobby being one that is associated with injury.

• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (Y)
  
• Proper care and transport of lipos / fire safety (Y,O)
  
• Don't use motor_stop, even if you're tempted. (Y,O)
  
• Set your failsafe to drop (O)
  
• Always know where your radio is when retrieving your quad. If in doubt take it with you. (Y)
  
• Join or at least follow the guidelines of a respected modelers club such as the AMA (Y,O,R)
  
• Don't land too close to people or yourself, especially without disabling air mode. (Y,O)
  

Secondary safety issues: Issues that matter but others have clearly defined such as AMA/Government (I think the secondary items could have a single clip to them to talk about)

• Don't fly over or at people (O,R)
  
• Don't fly near airports and check your local/regional laws regarding RC flight and RF transmissions (such as 5.8GHz for FPV video) (O,R)
  

References: All of the other, already great videos, of fails/issues/don't do-its... These can easily be links in the description field.

• Always be safe when working with electricity/soldering (Y)
  
• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (To include hotdog video) (Y)
  

For motor stop... The consensus of some recent discussions here on the board was that motor stop causes a quad to be potentially dangerous without any indication that it's live. By having motors spinning when the quad is armed it is clear to bystanders who may be interested in picking the quad up after a crash that it is still active and dangerous to pick up. I am open to removing this if there is disagreement that this makes things safer.

For turning off the TX, I always worry about something going wrong with the failsafe if I cut radio after a crash so I leave mine on. However I did once accidentally arm my quad when it was in someone else's hands and I felt horrible about it so now my taranis is set up to ignore the arm switch until I pull down 2 other switches that I previously wasn't using. This way it's double and triple safe.

I guess the motor stop is debatable.  I run airmode.  so it will spin anway before I take off

Good idea on the Taranis.  I seen twice already where someone had a neck strap on their tx and when they bend over to pick up the quad the arm switch got nudged and the quad chopped up their fingers.  I say just turn it off.  Make sure your failsafe is to zero out all channels when it loses signal.  This can be easily tested with props off the quad.

(26-Apr-2017, 07:39 PM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: Set your failsafe to drop (O)

Set your failsafe to drop. (O)
Test failsafe settings to verify that they work.

(26-Apr-2017, 07:39 PM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: For turning off the TX, I always worry about something going wrong with the failsafe if I cut radio after a crash so I leave mine on.

If you tested your failsafe, you wouldn't need to worry! Triggering failsafe also sets off the beeper to help you find the downed craft.

(26-Apr-2017, 07:39 PM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: For motor stop... The consensus of some recent discussions here on the board was that motor stop causes a quad to be potentially dangerous without any indication that it's live. By having motors spinning when the quad is armed it is clear to bystanders who may be interested in picking the quad up after a crash that it is still active and dangerous to pick up. I am open to removing this if there is disagreement that this makes things safer.

The first reason not to use motor_stop is to warn yourself and bystanders that the craft is armed and ready to take off. It can also have a dangerous interaction with failsafe when the failsafe action is set to land with a set throttle value. If the failsafe action is drop, then there is no risk.

When the quad crashes because of a failsafe and the failsafe action is set to drop, the motors are disarmed and the quad won't arm again until the radio signal has been restored for at least 30 seconds and the arm switch is off. It's therefore safe if some bystander picks it up. The same would apply for turning off your transmitter while you walk to pick up a quad that has crashed for other reasons.

(26-Apr-2017, 07:49 PM)trojanGoat Wrote:  I say just turn it off.  Make sure your failsafe is to zero out all channels when it loses signal.  This can be easily tested with props off the quad.

I have been nervous about failsafe because I had some trouble with it when attempting to make a segent of this video I had a flyaway. It kind of spooked me... I still dont know what happened and cant recreae it on the bench with props off so it's just some kind of mystery now 

(26-Apr-2017, 11:22 PM)unseen Wrote: If you tested your failsafe, you wouldn't need to worry! Triggering failsafe also sets off the beeper to help you find the downed craft. .

I tested mine beore the issue mentioned above and it worked as expected... I do need to do more tests to see if I can figure it out... Truth is I really like the Vortex and wouldnt want to loose it to a flyaway that I cant recover from.

I am doing some work on this and wanted to make some updates to the list. Now with more experience I think rewording some of the items would be better. Titles that have been changed are in red below.

I should have a set of video title screens put together soon to share with everyone. Hopefully you'll like them!

(26-Apr-2017, 07:39 PM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: Primary safety issues: The most important stuff that new and experienced pilots should get right in order to avoid this hobby being one that is associated with injury.

• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (Y)
  
• Proper care and transport of lipos / fire safety (Y,O)
  
• Use of motor_stop can be risky(Y,O)
  
• Set your failsafe to drop (O)
  
• Keep your radio safe when retrieving your quad (Y)
  
• Join or at least follow the guidelines of a respected modelers club such as the AMA (Y,O,R)
  
• Don't land too close to people or yourself, especially without disabling air mode. (Y,O)
  

Secondary safety issues: Issues that matter but others have clearly defined such as AMA/Government (I think the secondary items could have a single clip to them to talk about)

• Don't fly over or at people (O,R)
  
• Don't fly near airports and check your local/regional laws regarding RC flight and RF transmissions (such as 5.8GHz for FPV video) (O,R)
  

References: All of the other, already great videos, of fails/issues/don't do-its... These can easily be links in the description field.

• Always be safe when working with electricity/soldering (Y)
  
• Always remove props before powering up quad inside / on workbench (To include hotdog video) (Y)
  

Keep your radio safe? Is that as in remember to disarm, and then recheck for disarm prior to picking up Quad while accidentally bumping sticks?

Having done that to myself and very nearly launched Quad into my face while simultaneously being showered in leaves twigs gravel and prop fragments in could be a fun vid, although not so much for the star!