Hello guest, if you read this it means you are not registered. Click here to register in a few simple steps, you will enjoy all features of our Forum.
This forum uses cookies
This forum makes use of cookies to store your login information if you are registered, and your last visit if you are not. Cookies are small text documents stored on your computer; the cookies set by this forum can only be used on this website and pose no security risk. Cookies on this forum also track the specific topics you have read and when you last read them. Please confirm whether you accept or reject these cookies being set.

A cookie will be stored in your browser regardless of choice to prevent you being asked this question again. You will be able to change your cookie settings at any time using the link in the footer.

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Is a cap supposed to make this big a difference?
#1
I'm running a XILO Stax F4 Flight Controller + 45A 4 in 1 ESC, and last weekend I was getting low RF signal warnings here and there.  So I decided to move the RX elsewhere.  I have a cap on the main leads that was in the way and I'm running 4S, so I removed the cap. 

Today I went to fly, and any time I did a flip, roll or throttle punch, the quad would just die - video cut out, motors would quit...everything.  Everything would work as long as I just did a smooth hover around. 

Tonight I put the RX back where it was originally and added the cap back on.  Everything runs perfectly again. 

I usually don't run a cap on my 4S builds (although I've been making it a habit the last couple of builds).  Is a cap supposed to make that big a difference, or could there be another problem I'm not seeing?
Proud team pilot for brands I love: Dquad - Happymodel - Gemfan
Reply
Login to remove this ad | Register Here
#2
I wonder if your lipo is just tired and have a lot of voltage sag.

You should not have the issue you are having even without cap.
Reply
#3
I tried with multiple packs, all of them freshly charged.  The motors sounded weird too before it happened...normal, but just a bit..."off", I can't describe it.  Even on the bench without props they sounded a bit off.  I tested without props, and the motors and VTX all shut down when I'd give it a quick bit of juice without the cap.  With the cap I can't get it to happen again, and the motors all sound fine.  

Tomorrow I'll try it with the props on, but it really seems like everything is fine.  The whole thing just perplexes me, though.
Proud team pilot for brands I love: Dquad - Happymodel - Gemfan
Reply
#4
Hi JinxFPV,

What size Cap is it (uf and volts)?

As voodoo mentioned, it shouldn't make a difference. On the other hand, a capacitor stores energy and effectively "smooths" voltage drops from the battery. So... maybe.
______________________________________
My BUILDS  ||   My INDEX   ||  Parts Guide  <-- Download


Reply
#5
35V 1000uf that came with the kit.

Put the props on this morning and flies smooth as butter again. Really weird.
Proud team pilot for brands I love: Dquad - Happymodel - Gemfan
Reply
#6
I also don't have any real explanation but it seems to be another example of why it's a good idea to always fit a capacitor at the initial build stage as an insurance policy unless you have a good reason not to.
Reply
#7
The capacitor provides current when the battery sags:


______________________________________
My BUILDS  ||   My INDEX   ||  Parts Guide  <-- Download


[-] The following 1 user Likes iFly4rotors's post:
  • JinxFPV
Reply
#8
I have 9+ quads
Several 3" ... to 9", 14".

I ALWAYS fly with lowESR, and 35V Panasonic FM on all 6S builds - otherwise motors sound like angry bees, and white lines in video.

Debating $1 lowESR is like debating scotch tape vs quality battery strap. There is no debate.
Reply
#9
To augment {and help us to understand} the explanation by TrikeTrash, Pawel Spychalski's YouTube video graphically shows motors generating voltage spikes and how the ESCs mitigate most, but not all, of those spikes.

______________________________________
My BUILDS  ||   My INDEX   ||  Parts Guide  <-- Download


[-] The following 1 user Likes iFly4rotors's post:
  • JinxFPV
Reply


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  ESC How big or small Titanv11 30 4,680 04-Jan-2024, 12:27 PM
Last Post: iFly4rotors
  Build Big Whoop / Cinewhoop 3” Build Scott_M 70 3,350 03-Mar-2022, 08:01 PM
Last Post: iFly4rotors
  Help I can't make any sense of this recurring desync udy 14 3,383 17-May-2020, 01:10 AM
Last Post: hugnosed_bat
  Don't mess with GoPro settings the night before big days :D Oscar 4 971 19-Apr-2018, 11:07 AM
Last Post: Drone0fPrey
  Difference in Realacc X210 V+ and Pro versions? beastmode92 2 1,584 04-Jun-2017, 11:46 AM
Last Post: rryyyaann


Login to remove this ad | Register Here