Posts: 664 Threads: 121 Likes Received: 24 in 23 posts Likes Given: 490 Joined: Apr 2021 Reputation: 0 25-Apr-2022, 10:52 AM (This post was last modified: 25-Apr-2022, 10:56 AM by Rosssiiii.) Hello : ) is back in my mind the idea of a Drone build, i did a more accurate list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...ue&sd=true i didn't put anything in cam and VTX, but for the vtx i saw that an 800mw costs around 30€ the cam i really don't know these components at all so i don't have idea of what product is the best or best buy compared to price or acceptable, the camera that i have on my wizard is the FOXEER Arrow MICRO PRO Camera and is good during the day, don't like the sunset and the low light, but generally i fly during day . Can some one help me with components decision ? i Don't have idea about the possible weight, but would be great if would be a bit lighter then the wizard. • Posts: 6,106 Threads: 172 Likes Received: 2,283 in 1,830 posts Likes Given: 4,733 Joined: Feb 2019 Reputation: 100 the arrow micro pro is one of the last ccd cams on the market. there are downsides and benefits, the reason we dont have ccd options anymore is vecause of production price. ccd has some benefits in colour handling, todays common used cmos sensors has benefits about light handling, lowlight as you mentioned. a good value for money cam is the caddx ratel2, i use and like it. Posts: 5,868 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,779 in 2,241 posts Likes Given: 7,635 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 Hi Rosssiiii, At the moment, my favorite camera is the Foxeer Razer Nano 1200TVL that costs less than $ 20 USD. I can't speak to the low light capabilities, but I find it to be a good camera for daylight flights especially for the price. Just to clarify, you will be using a 30x30 stack (FC & 4-in-1 ESC) ? The 30x30 gear is out of my league. Will you be using ELRS control link protocol ? • Posts: 6,106 Threads: 172 Likes Received: 2,283 in 1,830 posts Likes Given: 4,733 Joined: Feb 2019 Reputation: 100 another inexpensive proved esc, a "previous version" of the air50 is the: racerstar special edition rev35 3-6se. its rated for 35a only but it works for racing and huge hungry engines. what was the weight if the wizard? 4motors at about 35g = 140g source one = about 110g (i dont know) 30x30 stack about 20g vtx antenna about 10g cam about 10g some other stuff: plus 30g ... you wont come below 320g in that bill • Posts: 4,550 Threads: 38 Likes Received: 1,245 in 1,064 posts Likes Given: 430 Joined: Aug 2020 Reputation: 118 25-Apr-2022, 11:03 PM (This post was last modified: 25-Apr-2022, 11:20 PM by kafie1980.) The SourceOne will be tough to get below 400g. Here is my SourceOne V3 with 2207 motors, 30x30 FC/ESC, mini FPV camera, 20x20 VTX, Crossfire Nano, xt60, 1000uf capacitor, only minimalistic TPU for antenna mounting: 415g Edit: 2 x lipo straps and props included Posts: 664 Threads: 121 Likes Received: 24 in 23 posts Likes Given: 490 Joined: Apr 2021 Reputation: 0 Hello thanks everyone for the advices, i have tried to reply some days ago but i find the webside offline @kafie1980 Your drone, the sourceone v3 looks so similiar to the wizard i have...as frame style, does that frame have fc+esc+vtx one on the other ? Wizard weight official data (i have not tested)by default is around 407g i remember, i have never tested. How much are cost shipping costs for the Sourceone took from TBS website ? i think it is just there available. @iFly4rotors i don't know what are the dimensions on the wizard, but current escRacerstar Air50 3-6S 50A is 30x30. is that the same dimension? why do you use smaller ? give same performance ? yes i shoud take an elrs rx. @hugnosed_batbutthat "racerstar special edition rev35 3-6se" is not enought to use the 2450kv engines of iflight ...i should limit these engines i remember that i have took the 50a esc for the wizard because the current motors was too much for the 35a single esce that was on the wizard. • Posts: 5,868 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,779 in 2,241 posts Likes Given: 7,635 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 30-Apr-2022, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: 30-Apr-2022, 01:30 PM by iFly4rotors.) (30-Apr-2022, 11:08 AM)Rosssiiii Wrote: ... @iFly4rotors i don't know what are the dimensions on the wizard, but current escRacerstar Air50 3-6S 50A is 30x30. is that the same dimension? Yes, the stack listed in the link above is a 30x30. NOTE: There are 2 options for this stack; a 45 Amp and a 60 Amp. why do you use smaller ? give same performance ? Smaller is lighter and now you can get really "beefy" whoop format AIO boards...up to 55 amp. So, why would I want any more weight and size than I need to get the job done ?? Recall, that I will be using a 40 Amp whoop format single board AIO (includes ESCs) in my Rescue Quad build which has Eachine Tyro119 2407 1850Kv motors and frame. On the other hand, this is NOT an ACRO stunt or Racing machine. ... Hi Rosssiiii, In these small quads (even those weighing more than 250 grams), weight is a big factor. Keep in mind that the power-to-weight ratio always makes a difference in performance; any performance whether it is speed, acceleration, or endurance. Weight is always a factor. Bigger is not necessarily better, it just weighs more. On the other hand, there is a difference between flying with just the quad vs pulling a heavy load. In this case, one is looking for a thrust capacity to actually lift and carry a specific amount of weight or load which means a certain prop size (normally larger) which requires motors sufficient enough to pull the props, the quad, and the extra weight. In both cases, I would still want to reduce the weight of the quad as much as realistically possible without sacrificing something that is germane to the goal or purpose of the craft. Consequently, if my 40A AIO board works, then all is well and I am done. If it doesn't work, then I will re-assess my options at that point. I have faith that it will work. Posts: 6,106 Threads: 172 Likes Received: 2,283 in 1,830 posts Likes Given: 4,733 Joined: Feb 2019 Reputation: 100 30-Apr-2022, 05:03 PM (This post was last modified: 30-Apr-2022, 05:04 PM by hugnosed_bat.) i know you are looking for a matching esc; some escs are known to hold their ratings for continuous discharge and holdup on higher current too. as example the aikon 6s 35a rated are a common choice for racing on such motors, in use on high stress. the racerstar rev35 is the only inexpensive esc, goes into this category in my eyes. i guess it will hold up, the next choices i would suggest are in another price area. personal i would use ignore and use it without any limitation. Posts: 664 Threads: 121 Likes Received: 24 in 23 posts Likes Given: 490 Joined: Apr 2021 Reputation: 0 (30-Apr-2022, 05:03 PM)hugnosed_bat Wrote: i know you are looking for a matching esc; some escs are known to hold their ratings for continuous discharge and holdup on higher current too. as example the aikon 6s 35a rated are a common choice for racing on such motors, in use on high stress. the racerstar rev35 is the only inexpensive esc, goes into this category in my eyes. i guess it will hold up, the next choices i would suggest are in another price area. personal i would use ignore and use it without any limitation. Hello thanks for info. As similiar price range i have also find these ones: https://it.aliexpress.com/item/100500179...5623%7Csea it has 45a...is that a know brand ? is the same brand of that FC: https://it.aliexpress.com/item/100500368...7956%7Csea is there some alternative to that fc with same spec ? • Posts: 664 Threads: 121 Likes Received: 24 in 23 posts Likes Given: 490 Joined: Apr 2021 Reputation: 0 (30-Apr-2022, 01:28 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii, In these small quads (even those weighing more than 250 grams), weight is a big factor. Keep in mind that the power-to-weight ratio always makes a difference in performance; any performance whether it is speed, acceleration, or endurance. Weight is always a factor. Bigger is not necessarily better, it just weighs more. On the other hand, there is a difference between flying with just the quad vs pulling a heavy load. In this case, one is looking for a thrust capacity to actually lift and carry a specific amount of weight or load which means a certain prop size (normally larger) which requires motors sufficient enough to pull the props, the quad, and the extra weight. In both cases, I would still want to reduce the weight of the quad as much as realistically possible without sacrificing something that is germane to the goal or purpose of the craft. Consequently, if my 40A AIO board works, then all is well and I am done. If it doesn't work, then I will re-assess my options at that point. I have faith that it will work. Hello What models of AIO boards do you use ? • Posts: 5,868 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,779 in 2,241 posts Likes Given: 7,635 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 30-Apr-2022, 11:34 PM (This post was last modified: 30-Apr-2022, 11:45 PM by iFly4rotors.) Hi Rosssiiii, I really like the HIFIONRC boards as they offer a lot for the money. I have used their F7 AIO (whoop) boards in both 25A and 45A versions. The boards were nice and the size of the pads was generous. For a reason that I don't know, I can no longer find these boards. I have also used the JHEMCU boards and like them as well, but they didn't offer the same value as the HIFIONRC boards. I have recently purchased two of the JHEMCU GH743 AIO 40A FC boards; one for the Surveillance-1 and the other for Rescue-1. I have a couple of iFlight BEAST 55A FC boards, but not yet mounted in anything. These boards are marked for my 7 inch quad builds. Yeah, a "whoop" AIO FC in a 7 incher. I have got to get a few things finished before I can resume work on them. I have also used GEPRC FCs without any issues, but mostly the 20A boards. Yeah, I have even used BetaFPV F405 20A AIO boards. Yeah, I know, they aren't supposed to be very high quality, but hey, they seem to work ok for me. Although everybody else seems to have good luck with Flywoo FC's, I have not been so successful. On the one hand, it could be just me, however, I use other brands with no problems. So...???? That said, I am not giving up on them. I will try them again in the future. Unless I have a specific need for a low amp board, all of the boards that I buy are 20A and up. If an FC is offered in two amp versions, I generally pay the extra for the higher rated board. One of the things that I like about the whoop AIO boards is that a single circuit board contains the FC and ESCs. This tends to make the wiring and assembly a little bit less complicated. Another thing that I like is that the "whoop" format will actually fit into ANY frame that I want to use; sort of like a Universal format...something that fits everything. Even if the frame isn't drilled for the whoop format, a small adapter plate is all that is needed. Watch for this on the Rescue-1 build. If I find a deal, I could buy a bunch of 40-45A whoop boards and know that they will work in anything that I want to build. Well, that is just me Posts: 664 Threads: 121 Likes Received: 24 in 23 posts Likes Given: 490 Joined: Apr 2021 Reputation: 0 (30-Apr-2022, 11:34 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii, I really like the HIFIONRC boards as they offer a lot for the money. I have used their F7 AIO (whoop) boards in both 25A and 45A versions. The boards were nice and the size of the pads was generous. For a reason that I don't know, I can no longer find these boards. I have also used the JHEMCU boards and like them as well, but they didn't offer the same value as the HIFIONRC boards. I have recently purchased two of the JHEMCU GH743 AIO 40A FC boards; one for the Surveillance-1 and the other for Rescue-1. I have a couple of iFlight BEAST 55A FC boards, but not yet mounted in anything. These boards are marked for my 7 inch quad builds. Yeah, a "whoop" AIO FC in a 7 incher. I have got to get a few things finished before I can resume work on them. I have also used GEPRC FCs without any issues, but mostly the 20A boards. Yeah, I have even used BetaFPV F405 20A AIO boards. Yeah, I know, they aren't supposed to be very high quality, but hey, they seem to work ok for me. Although everybody else seems to have good luck with Flywoo FC's, I have not been so successful. On the one hand, it could be just me, however, I use other brands with no problems. So...???? That said, I am not giving up on them. I will try them again in the future. Unless I have a specific need for a low amp board, all of the boards that I buy are 20A and up. If an FC is offered in two amp versions, I generally pay the extra for the higher rated board. One of the things that I like about the whoop AIO boards is that a single circuit board contains the FC and ESCs. This tends to make the wiring and assembly a little bit less complicated. Another thing that I like is that the "whoop" format will actually fit into ANY frame that I want to use; sort of like a Universal format...something that fits everything. Even if the frame isn't drilled for the whoop format, a small adapter plate is all that is needed. Watch for this on the Rescue-1 build. If I find a deal, I could buy a bunch of 40-45A whoop boards and know that they will work in anything that I want to build. Well, that is just me Hello Thanks for the info Mhh i'm not sure, i would like to use an fc board + esc ...but is that brand famous ? HAKRC 8B45A 20X20/30.5X30.5mm 4In1 ESC per 45A sorry to have opened that post and stopped to write much more but in recent month i'm been busy and not much time for fpv drones • Posts: 5,868 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,779 in 2,241 posts Likes Given: 7,635 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 • Posts: 21,228 Threads: 584 Likes Received: 8,957 in 6,628 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (20-May-2022, 02:18 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Don't worry about long breaks in the BUILD threads, it happens to all of us. I have a couple that I really need to get back to. Right after the current two. LOL. So true. There is nothing wrong with long running build threads and it's sometimes nice to see all the fine detail and challenges that were encountered along the way. My own build threads run over several months, and one of my builds ( HERE) still isn't complete almost a year after I started it I got frustrated with an issue so I temporarily shelved the build and I still haven't yet got back to it. Posts: 664 Threads: 121 Likes Received: 24 in 23 posts Likes Given: 490 Joined: Apr 2021 Reputation: 0 20-May-2022, 08:40 PM (This post was last modified: 20-May-2022, 08:40 PM by Rosssiiii.) • |