Hello : )

is back in my mind the idea of a Drone build, i did a more accurate list:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...ue&sd=true

i didn't put anything in cam and VTX, but for the vtx i saw that an 800mw costs around 30€

the cam i really don't know these components at all so i don't have idea of what product is the best or best buy compared to price or acceptable, the camera that i have on my wizard is the FOXEER Arrow MICRO PRO Camera and is good during the day, don't like the sunset and the low light, but generally i fly during day .

Can some one help me with components decision ?
i Don't have idea about the possible weight, but would be great if would be a bit lighter then the wizard.

the arrow micro pro is one of the last ccd cams on the market. there are downsides and benefits, the reason we dont have ccd options anymore is vecause of production price. ccd has some benefits in colour handling, todays common used cmos sensors has benefits about light handling, lowlight as you mentioned.
a good value for money cam is the caddx ratel2, i use and like it.

Hi Rosssiiii,
 
At the moment, my favorite camera is the Foxeer Razer Nano 1200TVL that costs less than $ 20 USD.
I can't speak to the low light capabilities, but I find it to be a good camera for daylight flights especially 
for the price.

Just to clarify, you will be using a 30x30 stack (FC & 4-in-1 ESC) ?
The 30x30 gear is out of my league.

Will you be using ELRS control link protocol ?

another inexpensive proved esc, a "previous version" of the air50 is the: racerstar special edition rev35 3-6se. its rated for 35a only but it works for racing and huge hungry engines.

what was the weight if the wizard?

4motors at about 35g = 140g
source one = about 110g (i dont know)
30x30 stack about 20g
vtx antenna about 10g
cam about 10g
some other stuff: plus 30g
... you wont come below 320g in that bill

The SourceOne will be tough to get below 400g.

Here is my SourceOne V3 with 2207 motors, 30x30 FC/ESC, mini FPV camera, 20x20 VTX, Crossfire Nano, xt60, 1000uf capacitor, only minimalistic TPU for antenna mounting:



415g 

Edit: 2 x lipo straps and props included

Hello

(30-Apr-2022, 11:08 AM)Rosssiiii Wrote: ...

@iFly4rotors

i don't know what are the dimensions on the wizard, but current escRacerstar Air50 3-6S 50A is 30x30.

is that the same dimension?

https://it.aliexpress.com/item/100500368...mbHouyi=fa

      Yes, the stack listed in the link above is a 30x30. 

       NOTE:  There are 2 options for this stack; a 45 Amp and a 60 Amp.

why do you use smaller ? give same performance ?

      Smaller is lighter and now you can get really "beefy" whoop format AIO boards...up to 55 amp.   
      So, why would I want any more weight and size than I need to get the job done ?? 
    
      Recall, that I will be using a 40 Amp whoop format single board AIO (includes ESCs) in
      my Rescue Quad build which has Eachine Tyro119 2407 1850Kv motors and frame. On
      the other hand, this is NOT an ACRO stunt or Racing machine.

...

Hi Rosssiiii,

In these small quads (even those weighing more than 250 grams), weight is a big factor. 
Keep in mind that the power-to-weight ratio always makes a difference in performance;
any performance whether it is speed, acceleration, or endurance. Weight is always a factor.
Bigger is not necessarily better, it just weighs more. 

On the other hand, there is a difference between flying with just the quad vs pulling a heavy
load. In this case, one is looking for a thrust capacity to actually lift and carry a specific amount
of weight or load which means a certain prop size (normally larger) which requires  motors 
sufficient enough to pull the props, the quad, and the extra weight.

In both cases, I would still want to reduce the weight of the quad as much as realistically
possible without sacrificing something that is germane to the goal or purpose of the craft.

Consequently, if my 40A AIO board works, then all is well and I am done. If it doesn't work,
then I will re-assess my options at that point. I have faith that it will work.

i know you are looking for a matching esc; some escs are known to hold their ratings for continuous discharge and holdup on higher current too. as example the aikon 6s 35a rated are a common choice for racing on such motors, in use on high stress. the racerstar rev35 is the only inexpensive esc, goes into this category in my eyes. i guess it will hold up, the next choices i would suggest are in another price area.
personal i would use ignore and use it without any limitation.

(30-Apr-2022, 05:03 PM)hugnosed_bat Wrote: i know you are looking for a matching esc; some escs are known to hold their ratings for continuous discharge and holdup on higher current too. as example the aikon 6s 35a rated are a common choice for racing on such motors, in use on high stress. the racerstar rev35 is the only inexpensive esc, goes into this category in my eyes. i guess it will hold up, the next choices i would suggest are in another price area.
personal i would use ignore and use it without any limitation.

Hello

thanks for info.

As similiar price range i have also find these ones:

https://it.aliexpress.com/item/100500179...5623%7Csea

it has 45a...is that a know brand ?

is the same brand of that FC: 
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/100500368...7956%7Csea

is there some alternative to that fc with same spec ?

(30-Apr-2022, 01:28 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii,

In these small quads (even those weighing more than 250 grams), weight is a big factor. 
Keep in mind that the power-to-weight ratio always makes a difference in performance;
any performance whether it is speed, acceleration, or endurance. Weight is always a factor.
Bigger is not necessarily better, it just weighs more. 

On the other hand, there is a difference between flying with just the quad vs pulling a heavy
load. In this case, one is looking for a thrust capacity to actually lift and carry a specific amount
of weight or load which means a certain prop size (normally larger) which requires  motors 
sufficient enough to pull the props, the quad, and the extra weight.

In both cases, I would still want to reduce the weight of the quad as much as realistically
possible without sacrificing something that is germane to the goal or purpose of the craft.

Consequently, if my 40A AIO board works, then all is well and I am done. If it doesn't work,
then I will re-assess my options at that point. I have faith that it will work.

Hello   

What models of AIO boards do you use ?

Hi Rosssiiii,

I really like the HIFIONRC boards as they offer a lot for the money. I have used their F7 AIO
(whoop) boards in both 25A and 45A versions. The boards were nice and the size of the pads 
was generous. For a reason that I don't know, I can no longer find these boards.

I have also used the JHEMCU boards and like them as well, but they didn't offer the same value
as the HIFIONRC boards. I have recently purchased two of the JHEMCU GH743 AIO 40A FC boards; 
one for the Surveillance-1 and the other for Rescue-1. 

I have a couple of iFlight BEAST 55A FC boards, but not yet mounted in anything. These boards 
are marked for my 7 inch quad builds. Yeah, a "whoop" AIO FC in a 7 incher. I have got to get a 
few things finished before I can resume work on them.

I have also used GEPRC FCs without any issues, but mostly the 20A boards.

Yeah, I have even used BetaFPV F405 20A AIO boards. Yeah, I know, they aren't supposed to be 
very high quality, but hey, they seem to work ok for me.

Although everybody else seems to have good luck with Flywoo FC's, I have not been so successful.
On the one hand, it could be just me, however, I use other brands with no problems. So...????
That said, I am not giving up on them. I will try them again in the future.

Unless I have a specific need for a low amp board, all of the boards that I buy are 20A and up.
If an FC is offered in two amp versions, I generally pay the extra for the higher rated board.

One of the things that I like about the whoop AIO boards is that a single circuit board contains
the FC and ESCs. This tends to make the wiring and assembly a little bit less complicated. 
Another thing that I like is that the "whoop" format will actually fit into ANY frame that 
I want to use; sort of like a Universal format...something that fits everything. Even if the
frame isn't drilled for the whoop format, a small adapter plate is all that is needed. Watch
for this on the Rescue-1 build. If I find a deal, I could buy a bunch of 40-45A whoop boards 
and know that they will work in anything that I want to build. 

Well, that is just me 

(30-Apr-2022, 11:34 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii,

I really like the HIFIONRC boards as they offer a lot for the money. I have used their F7 AIO
(whoop) boards in both 25A and 45A versions. The boards were nice and the size of the pads 
was generous. For a reason that I don't know, I can no longer find these boards.

I have also used the JHEMCU boards and like them as well, but they didn't offer the same value
as the HIFIONRC boards. I have recently purchased two of the JHEMCU GH743 AIO 40A FC boards; 
one for the Surveillance-1 and the other for Rescue-1. 

I have a couple of iFlight BEAST 55A FC boards, but not yet mounted in anything. These boards 
are marked for my 7 inch quad builds. Yeah, a "whoop" AIO FC in a 7 incher. I have got to get a 
few things finished before I can resume work on them.

I have also used GEPRC FCs without any issues, but mostly the 20A boards.

Yeah, I have even used BetaFPV F405 20A AIO boards. Yeah, I know, they aren't supposed to be 
very high quality, but hey, they seem to work ok for me.

Although everybody else seems to have good luck with Flywoo FC's, I have not been so successful.
On the one hand, it could be just me, however, I use other brands with no problems. So...????
That said, I am not giving up on them. I will try them again in the future.

Unless I have a specific need for a low amp board, all of the boards that I buy are 20A and up.
If an FC is offered in two amp versions, I generally pay the extra for the higher rated board.

One of the things that I like about the whoop AIO boards is that a single circuit board contains
the FC and ESCs. This tends to make the wiring and assembly a little bit less complicated. 
Another thing that I like is that the "whoop" format will actually fit into ANY frame that 
I want to use; sort of like a Universal format...something that fits everything. Even if the
frame isn't drilled for the whoop format, a small adapter plate is all that is needed. Watch
for this on the Rescue-1 build. If I find a deal, I could buy a bunch of 40-45A whoop boards 
and know that they will work in anything that I want to build. 

Well, that is just me 

Hello

Thanks for the info

Mhh i'm not sure, i would like to use an fc board + esc ...but is that brand famous ?
HAKRC 8B45A 20X20/30.5X30.5mm 4In1 ESC per 45A

sorry to have opened that post and stopped to write much more but in recent month i'm been busy and not much time for fpv drones

(19-May-2022, 09:05 PM)Rosssiiii Wrote: Hello

Thanks for the info

Mhh i'm not sure, i would like to use an fc board + esc ...but is that brand famous ?
HAKRC 8B45A 20X20/30.5X30.5mm 4In1 ESC per 45A

sorry to have opened that post and stopped to write much more but in recent month i'm been busy and not much time for fpv drones

Hi Rosssiiii,

Don't worry about long breaks in the BUILD threads, it happens to all of us. I have a couple that
I really need to get back to. Right after the current two. 

As for the HAKRC brand. I don't know anything about it.

Any FC/ESC combo should work. It just depends on what you want...or...what you can get.

(20-May-2022, 02:18 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Don't worry about long breaks in the BUILD threads, it happens to all of us. I have a couple that
I really need to get back to. Right after the current two. 

LOL. So true. There is nothing wrong with long running build threads and it's sometimes nice to see all the fine detail and challenges that were encountered along the way. My own build threads run over several months, and one of my builds (HERE) still isn't complete almost a year after I started it  I got frustrated with an issue so I temporarily shelved the build and I still haven't yet got back to it.

(20-May-2022, 02:18 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii,

Don't worry about long breaks in the BUILD threads, it happens to all of us. I have a couple that
I really need to get back to. Right after the current two. 

As for the HAKRC brand. I don't know anything about it.

Any FC/ESC combo should work. It just depends on what you want...or...what you can get.

(20-May-2022, 09:34 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: LOL. So true. There is nothing wrong with long running build threads and it's sometimes nice to see all the fine detail and challenges that were encountered along the way. My own build threads run over several months, and one of my builds (HERE) still isn't complete almost a year after I started it  I got frustrated with an issue so I temporarily shelved the build and I still haven't yet got back to it.

Yeah it require time is normal 

So that HAKRC is not a famous brand ? i tought it was