So all the professional pilots will claim asylum in Canada. So that's a misnomer. Or even South America, where rules don't really exist.

Hobbyists will go underground and move from open websites like this to probably the darknet and stay below the radar.

Drone parts will become like drug packages. Nothing identifiable on the package in clean white boxes.

Drone racing is probably dead, at least in the US. But then Canada is nearby and without so many stupid rules, so you will just get competitions running on that side, or maybe underground contests.

So it strikes me, what you need to do is get things amended at state level, like they do with Marijuana. So send letters to your state rep. It remains illegal at Federal level, but becomes legal at State level. Yes you end up with no one knowing what the hell is going on, but a little chaos isn't a bad thing and it's not like it would be any different from now. As long as you don't do anything to piss off the Federal side, they would probably leave you alone.

So I am not American, but a number of my friends fought the other battle for years and now live in legal states. So can't see why you couldn't push the FPV hobby the same way.

Apples and oranges… Legalization of a plant, that only had “negative stigma” attached is a different fight compared to this.. not only are u fighting “ignorance” in the political circle .. u have corporate empires with deep pockets..
Some battles may get won, but this is a war that some aspects hobby will be a casualty of.

Maybe. It was only an idea. I suppose everyone could just do nothing and accept the inevitable. That's probably the path of least resistance, since it will be the end for FPV in the US by the sound of it. At least in any overt form and probably with anything that makes a lot of noise and can't be flown stealthily. Fight battles you can win and generally fighting the government is far beyond a David and Goliath type battle so pretty much unwinnable.

This bears repeating...

The driving force behind drone identification and control is coming from
the Department of Homeland Security - DHS. If you haven't already read it...

maybe take a look at this -->  Controlling our Airspace in the Age of Drones

"... S&T’s ADA program will detect UAS in the air from the ground to 500 feet up, 
identify the target and its attributes in order to determine the threat level, and 
if necessary, bring the UAS down safely. "

THIS is why DHS wants Remote ID...and...network connectivity... THEY want
to be able to know the very instant that you fire that puppy up, Who you are,
Where you are, and the Ability to Disable it.  Yeah, that will be next.

Now, think about this for a moment: DHS will win and prevail even over any little
state or local law. Guys, this is NOT marijuana...THIS is viewed as a
THREAT to National Security.

We may think it ain't so, but THEY (DHS) think that it is. 

Really, Think About It.  

Pretty soon flying your quad/fixed wing anywhere aside from an AMA field will be like street racing, which was a hobby of mine I stopped before I joined the military.

Which incidentally, the AMA reminds me of the SCCA. Yeah, autocrossing was fun, but all of the old fogeys made it unenjoyable and whined and bellyached when you didn't approach the hobby like they did. So no one wanted to pay the 30 dollar entry fee to go have 6 shots at setting a good time around some road cones in the parking lot, so we took to drifting up and down highway 421 and deals gap and acting like hooligans everywhere else.

I have said, if the AMA end up being the only CBO, we will know there was some sort of handshake deal between the AMA and the FAA. Right now, it looks like everything is optimized to try and push everyone who doesn't want to do RID to an AMA field, and then start tightening down the screws on everything else.

Of course, all of the AMA old fogeys who think that if you didn't take 6 months building your plane out of sticks you are not a real ''modeler'' also think all of this is ''the quad guys fault.'' Which may partially be true because any clown can operate a DJI and those are the morons flying in front of firefighting aircraft and such. So you are unlikely to find favor with that group. Not that I fly real long range with quads, I have taken my tyro 129 out a couple of times as far as a mile, but I usually reserve long range for the fixed wings.

As far as the DHS goes, they can go piss up a rope. Move the Coasties back under the treasury department or full time under the DoD and just defund/eliminate that entire department. As far as I know, they do very little to protect the homeland, and very much to oppress the citizens.

Come on guys these are common sense drone rules...

You don't need all that voltage capacity...

Think about the children, THE CHILDREN!

Doesn't sound as black pill as xjet makes it out to be.

(06-Dec-2022, 03:55 AM)sevro Wrote: Come on guys these are common sense drone rules...

You don't need all that voltage capacity...

Think about the children, THE CHILDREN!

DON'T get me started on that. 

I listened to that alien drones podcast on the way home, no new information really. Dangling the VBLOS carrot out there. 

If I were a betting man, it will probably go something like this. 

The FAA/DHS snags a couple of high profile people off youtube/other outlets, makes an example out of them, does the huge press release. This way, they think they put the fear of God in everyone and the little dogooder-fly-at-field only advocates get a nice fuzzy feeling in their AMA underoos.

Then they go back to doing what government organizations do, piss away taxpayer money for doing an at best mediocre job, let the real criminals get away, and every once in a while throw the hammer down on some random person enjoying the hobby with their kid. 

Of course, there will always be the ''agency members'' out there with a hardon for catching illicit recreational UAS pilots, just like there are cops out there who love busting people with radar detectors speeding. Yeah, they exist, but are few and far between and most probably simply won't care unless you are doing something really bad, or loitering over a theme park. I don't know who would do a thing like that.

I TRIED to watch this.. but had to stop.. it doesn’t matter how the FAA describes RI .. because it will change,,and the verbiage the FAA rep continually used “what WE call”…is easily open to changes..
Yes, drones / quad technology had improved dramatically recently… and the situation overseas with them being used doesn’t help..
But none of this became as important as it has now with the availability of them becoming commercial used..
Big corporate companies see a brass ring and they want to snatch it..
DuPont was the biggest proponent of the whole “Freon- environmental” push.. not because the R-12 Freon was a bad product (it is actually a very safe and efficient chemical)… DuPont was loosing the patent, and it was becoming public.. so anyone could produce it. R134a was presented as “Environmentaly Safer” (but it wasn’t and not as efficient) since r12 was being made “illegal”.. Guess who developed R134a and holds the patent..
This is the same, power and money.. and at all costs to include our freedom.. but it’s usually hidden under “security / safety”..

Those pilots who stay stealthy...like a ghost...and out of the way...
under the radar will likely be ok for years. Or at least as long as we 
have parts.

Yes, it will take years for all of this to take full effect. Right now, 
they are laying the foundation and getting everything in place; 
kind of like a Trojan Horse; get it all lined up so they can pounce 
when or if they need to or want to. If someone gets caught, they
want everything solidly in place so there will be no legal remedies
for you when they come down on you. 

For me... I will no longer being flying at any public parks, I will keep
my quads small and quiet...work to be not seen, not heard, stealthy.
If no one knows, then know one cares. 

The other thing is the videos. The FAA has already confirmed that they
investigate citizen submissions of probable illegal flights...and... that
it is the Part 107 pilots that are trollling the internet looking for violators.
Yeah, the FAA already has snoops out there...Part 107 pilots. When
someone posts a video that is clearly {or marginally} illegal that is like
waiving a red flag saying...Here I Am...Come and get Me. 

I totally agree that there will be some guys who they will make 
an example of just to set a solid precidence and show that they 
CAN and WILL get you and prosocute you. 

…the “trust test” they put out just gave themselves a list of “who, and where” possible pilots and their possible location …

Is this driven by the China paranoia that seems to be gripping the US at present?

I mean terrorism is pretty much on the downward slope at the minute. Sure you still get the odd lone wolf, but tactics nowadays seem to be less about bombs and more about driving into a bunch of people with a car or stabbings and shootings, and they happen so rarely now compared to 5-10 years back.

Or is Amazon worried about there commercial drones hitting recreational drones (which I think in a lot of cases is unlikely)?

Or is it just a money/scaremongering opportunity at a time when the economies of most countries is taking a beating, like a false flag way of generating money?

As for videos, what we need is a large decentralised youtube with encryption. If you publish a video, you can give the code to your friends, but no one else can watch or decode it. Decentralised infrastructure makes it hard to take down and encryption makes it hard to crack.

I don't see any new US videos coming out on Youtube if they start cracking down on it. I think many of the pilots and influencers will head north or south out of the US into countries with better laws and less idiot politicians. No use for everyone who can't do that. And some will probably still not give a fk and fly regardless?

From everything I hear, DHS is basically the US equivalent to the Iranian Morality Police. They are a department with no real aims and objectives, that basically pisses money away annoying everyone else. They remind me of the organisations that spring up in Babylon 5 (Sci-Fi Series) after Earth goes under military rule (Ministry of Truth, etc). I've never talked to anyone with any good to say about them.

Pretty much “yes” to all ..
I am also going smaller / quieter and IF / When someone comes knocking on my door asking if I own / fly drones.. I’m simply going to say..”please leave, and have a nice day”.. putting the burden of proof on them..

(06-Dec-2022, 04:59 AM)sevro Wrote: Doesn't sound as black pill as xjet makes it out to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ujNdNgdd4?t=0

I see nothing good or positive in that video at all. I have summarised the video in bullet points below:

• Remote ID will be fully compulsory by September 2023.
  
  
• There will be no Remote ID exemptions whatsoever for home built FPV quads of 250+g, period.
  
  
• Kevin talks about the removal of the network broadcast requirement following the NPRM consultation, but what he fails to mention is that the FAA are already tendering companies to collect and aggregate local broadcast Remote ID data from nodes set up across the country which is then pushed to a centralised database (see another thread HERE). So while the general public won't be able to see all the drones that are currently in the air across the US, government bodies will which means they will have data records of when and how you are flying including whether or not you are flying recklessly or BVLOS.
  
  
• There will be no possibility or consideration of shielded operation exemptions, not even if flying below treetops in your own back yard. The exact quote Kevin used is "not going to happen", so the FAA have completely discounted any possibility of that ever being permitted. The lame argument given for that was the potential for uncontrolled flyaways to occur.
  
  
• The FAA don't see the pilot's location being openly broadcast as an issue, stating that if a member of the public is within range of being able to receive the broadcast data from a drone (which under the regulation must be flown within VLOS) then that person would also be able to visually see the pilot who is flying the drone by just looking around. The FAA's answer to the concerns voiced is that they intend to "educate the public". I think a lot of people would like to know exactly how they intend to go about doing that. Criminals with a gun who want to steal your drone or nutters who want to do you some harm aren't usually people who listen to reason or want to be educated,
  

I just see it as more rules on top of rules we were already accustomed to breaking. Does it suck aure, does it suck more than everything else that's going on in modernity? Not even close.