(13-Sep-2020, 06:21 PM)Droneranger Wrote: That video shows exactly why some of the older generation, who have the money to buy into this racing side of our sport/hobby then give up and sell there kit.
The younger generation have used their thumbs all of their lives to play games and text, an 18 year old may have already 10 years flying quads experience.

I agree that some older people get into this hobby {racing/acro/what ever}, then, after much frustration with the ability (or inability) to adequately use the transmitter, finally give up. I do, however, believe that they give it a solid effort, just can't control it enough to have fun. Yeah, I think they try LOS, maybe even first, as well as FPV. It is in the dexterity of the thumbs. Some may migrate to the more automatic quads such as the DJI Mavic or other almost autonomous drones where they don't have to control much. THEN, they sell the racing gear. 

You are right about the game controller. It is not about the visual perspective; they pick that up in less than five minutes. It is the thumb muscle memory where they instinctively operate the controller without hardly thinking. I have seen this in many younger "kids". First time of flying, right out of the box, they have almost instant control. I have seen this first hand.

(14-Sep-2020, 07:08 AM)rjalex Wrote: What you write is interesting and tue although if you sell because you cannot be the fastest maybe you have not spent your money well. I think all of this should be just enjoying yourself.

Also all of the "training" the young kids had on their phone/tablet/PC is only 2D and I think that in LOS acquiring a mental model of 3D space and velocity and trajectories only starts when you fly, maybe what you say is totally true in FPV.

It is not the training on a phone/tablet/PC, it is the training on video games where a controller is used that is very similar to an FPV transmitter. The "kids" who grew up on playing the video game devices such as the XBox, especially those that are into the action "shoot em up" games, develop an amazing, blazing, thumb response/control. The minute one of these "seasoned" gamers gets a transmitter in their hands, it almost becomes a part of them. The human brain adapts to any different perception between 2D and 3D in a matter of minutes (or maybe seconds). Also note that, FPV is only 2D, Not 3D. The "edge" comes from being able to operate the controller/transmitter without consciously thinking; millisecond response. This is where us older folks just can't keep up. 

A competition is NOT fun if you can't even get close to a win. In fact, even if not in a competition; most people become frustrated when they just can't accomplish what they are trying to do; even though they may give it a valent effort. So, generally after some time {because they don't want to be a failure} they sell their gear and move on.  Maybe they switch to just cruising, Maybe they get a DJI Mavic or some other drone that requires very little control {almost automatic}, or Maybe they just move to something else; ... something that is more fun. 

In pretty much all things in life {not just hobbies} ,
people gravitate towards things they can do or accomplish (be successful at) and steer away from things they can't. 

So I'm doomed RIP

(14-Sep-2020, 11:55 AM)rjalex Wrote: So I'm doomed RIP

I don't know about doomed.       

But, the "kids" ARE the competition.... 
one reason that I don't compete... I can't win    ...H*ll, can't eve come close   

Aren't there different leagues or divisions in FPV racing? I've done sports before where they have multiple divisions where people can progress from one to the other (e.g. D-division which is for those new to the sport and you compete against those also new to the sport. Once you win D-division more than X times, you get promoted to C-division, then B, then A and then start moving on to National type events). That way you get that "win" feeling even when in reality you are waaaaaay worse than others. But it's great because you still have that competition and don't just think "there's no point in this, I'll never win". I remember getting my first D-division win (and medal). I was well chuffed

I don't think there's a big enough racing population to have multiple divisions.

Honestly, your best bet is just race yourself. Don't try to beat the 17-year-old racing prodigy hopped up on Red Bull, try and be better than you were last month.

(14-Sep-2020, 12:28 PM)Banelle Wrote: Honestly, your best bet is just race yourself. 

But winner me can be such an arrogant ass to loser me 

My personal pleasure is to understand and learn something new and have fun doing it and when possible share the passion and teach to people with less experience (which of course right now is 0 lol). Couldn't care less about competing. Maybe it's the coach vs athlete type of different mindsets.

No interest whatsoever competing with a redbull drenched post-teen

I also got into this for fun and freestyle joys. However, just completing some stages on velocidrone is great and I can see the joy of doing some courses.

(14-Sep-2020, 07:19 PM)AlanB1976 Wrote: I also got into this for fun and freestyle joys. However, just completing some stages on velocidrone is great and I can see the joy of doing some courses.

I also got into this for fun.    And I am having a blast 

In addition to flying, I also like building them.     

The soccer field where I fly has some light poles, two sets of goal posts, some palm trees, a couple of baseball dugouts, and a few other things that I sometime do some proximity flying around. 

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind flying a course just to see if I could do it. I have thought about setting up some gates {yeah, just for me to "play" with}, but my yard isn't big enough; I am not comfortable nor ambitious enough to try to set something up at the soccer field or the park. 

As far as I know, there are no drone "race" courses near me. In fact, I haven't even found any drone pilots near me. 

I am having fun anyway   ... way too much FUN  

Yeah I been playing games since I can remember...... and as soon as I got a drone and tried using thumbs it was awkward and didn't feel right, I immediately went to pinching which felt much more natural.

I found it strange.... I don't think video games a flying drones translates as much as people say when it comes to the physical part of it. I think it does help with hand eye coordination, response time, and confidence though.

As some of you might know a lot of surgery nowadays is done in "laparoscopy" meaning you get inside the body via a flexible instrument looking into an eyepiece and unlike the "open" surgeries you have to orient yourself depending on the instrument rotation, in other terms you introduce an eye/space disconnect.

I heard a great presentation by the general surgeon of the US Army that studied the proficiency of his surgeons at this technique and then also evaluated their ability on Playstation platform and other 3D games and yes there was an undisputed correlation. The best surgeons were also very good at the games.

So you could conclude that the games had "trained" the surgeons, but in reality the causality was different. It was pre-existing visual orientation brain capabilities and prior reflexes that made them good at BOTH the games and then ALSO surgery.

So the instinctive casuality between having been great at games and then at flying competition might be an epiphenomenon.

Sorry for the science nerd in me exposing this boring stuff

And in Velocidrone I am 5 times older than the fastest and accordingly ot the inverse law of aging also 5 times slower:




Still I'm quite happy and having fun

And going back to my original post in this thread puzzled as to why the Sim is so much easier than my FPV/Whoop that I can barely keep in the air for more than 3 seconds ....

I will agree with you. While velocidrone is supposed to be the most accurate, still seems way easier than real life. I'm sure the lack of fear of crashing plays a big role as well. Still good to develop muscle memory though

Best way to get better I've found is to have at least two quads. Having the backup will give you the courage to try those "iffy" moves and gaps. If you smash one you have another to fall back on while you await parts to fix the broken one. That's what I did and now I'm fairly "wreckless" with them now, hehe.

Practice, in the air, makes perfect. Or close to it....

Deal

Completely agree