(08-Sep-2020, 04:29 PM)AlanB1976 Wrote: Laughed at the magnetic trees . The best advice I ever got when I used to mountain bike was not to look at the rock you're trying to avoid, look for the gap, as the brain subconsciously aims you at what you are looking at.

Actually, with new mountain bike these days, it is better to just go over the rocks.

To guage altitude the brain needs references, so having some flags or gates are very helpful to your brain.  The less you are consciously thinking about your altitude the better.

I am a noob learning to FPV but only indoors so far.  Indoors there are lots of height references - the wife's flowers on the table by the front door is an example of "you better get it right" altitude reference:

Here it is easy for the brain to feel a comfortable low altitude:








Here it feels about the level of the flowers, "danger!":







And here I am starting to feel fear of heights (even though there are less potential obstacles at this height):





Outdoors, flags or gates will give your brain the same altitude reference information.

I get what you say. Maybe because of the distortion of the wide-angle I am still not "getting" that feedback, while in LOS the feedback is millimetric

(09-Sep-2020, 03:03 PM)rjalex Wrote:  Maybe because of the distortion of the wide-angle I am still not "getting" that feedback, while in LOS the feedback is millimetric

Commit to never flying LOS again.  

In FPV the directional control is never reversed.  "Feel the force, Luke"  Don't be a spectator, be the pilot!

I vow to never LOS again Father
3 Hail Marys

Here is another consideration if you don't push it too much; LOWER the camera angle. Doing this allows you to fly a little more level {maybe even hover, ha ha}. Indoors, my camera angle is about level to 10 degrees. Outdoors, the camera angle is about 10-15 {maybe 20} degrees. I fly with only slight forward movement most of the time.  That said, when you push forward more {right stick moving up} with a lower camera angle, you will see almost straight down {and not where you are going}. 

If you go slow, you can get away with lower angle; Slower: Lower angle;  Faster higher angle.

If you want to see how I fly {pun intended} and what a lower camera angle looks like, 
check out the flight footage in My Journal.

The only time I do LOS is when doing hover tests inside the house {spooky with anything larger than 3 inch}.

I tried LOS at the field where I fly, but you lose orientation pretty quick when the quad is very far away; and it doesn't take much to get beyond visible recognition with these thing.

Yup agree. So far only few very short FPV stints in da house and lowered the camera as low as it can go thinking it shows a but better my real height.
Point is that when I hover in LOS I sense the quad dipping or raising within a fraction of a second I am reacting with the sticks, while through the screen I get I'm moving vertically only with some delay and then things are hard to redress.

(09-Sep-2020, 03:51 PM)rjalex Wrote: Yup agree. So far only few very short FPV stints in da house and lowered the camera as low as it can go thinking it shows a but better my real height.
Point is that when I hover in LOS I sense the quad dipping or raising within a fraction of a second I am reacting with the sticks, while through the screen I get I'm moving vertically only with some delay and then things are hard to redress.

Yeah, I had the same issue. Well, there are two things that I have done that helps my control. The first is gimble stick extensions { I use these ones }. In fact, I have put these on almost all of my transmitters; the "toy" ones and my Jumper T16. That way, the effect of my longer thumb movement is reduced due to the length of the extension. Just doing this one thing helped a lot. You might say that it helps fine  tune the physical movement. 

The second thing {and I have only had to do this once...on the 65mm BetaFPV Meteor 65S}... is to limit the throttle in Betaflight. Again, this reduces the effect of my "over control" thumb movements. After I did this on the Meteor, I was able to comfortably fly around the house. Yes, it does sort of limit the "performance", but I was more concerned about being able to just fly rather than zipping under the chair, over the table, and down the hall   

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These particular extensions are M3 threaded which fit the Jumper T16 and the threaded 
gimbles on most Full Size transmitters. Installing them on the "toy" transmitters is a little 
more interesting. I use short M3 6x6 nylon standoffs as adapters; these are a press fit 
onto the toy gimbles. If needed, you can ream them out a little.  I also took a knife and 
shaved off the edges of the hex and allow a little more travel.
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Very interesting. Thanks

(09-Sep-2020, 03:19 PM)cyclicalobsessive Wrote: In FPV the directional control is never reversed. 

You helped me ... Sometimes in the Velocidrone simulator, it seemed like my roll was reversed. I was thinking about "the controls are never reversed" and realized that when it appears the quad is rolling opposite to the stick input, I might be flying backwards unintentionally! Because of the the 17% yaw mix, telling the quad to roll is causing some yaw which makes an optical illusion that the quad is moving opposite to my command.

Reinforces what everyone says "keep moving forward "

(09-Sep-2020, 03:20 PM)rjalex Wrote: I vow to never LOS again Father
3 Hail Marys

dont do that.

Watch this:

Try to convince yourself this kid don't feel the force..... but MAN I never been this impressed with FPV flying that's for damn sure. FPV is just A LOT of (more?) fun for the pilot ;D

FPV = Targeting computer ON

LOS = Targeting computer OFF   "you switched off your targeting computer what's wrong??" Answer "Nothing, I'm flying LOS"

Wow With that wind I'd probably not even bothered with a drone and just unfurled my kites
This is both great and also a tad depressing showing me how huge is the gap between this kind and this old man

It's not even worth trying to compete with some of the youngsters in this hobby. Their reaction times is way too fast. Tell me if you can see any gates in the clip below

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEJVv7-gm8a

The main thing is to just fly the way you feel comfortable in your own style and have fun. You don't need to be a speed demon or a acrobatic god to be part of this hobby.

(10-Sep-2020, 09:13 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: It's not even worth trying to compete with some of the youngsters in this hobby. Their reaction times is way too fast. Tell me if you can see any gates in the clip below

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEJVv7-gm8a

The main thing is to just fly the way you feel comfortable in your own style and have fun. You don't need to be a speed demon or a acrobatic god to be part of this hobby.

This is the one that always gets me.



Ok I take it back..... I've seen just as impressive when it comes to RACING FPV.

one main difference is the dimensions you get, while you have 3d in los its only 2d in fpv.
to compensate one dimension mouvement is needed, there is no orientation without.

get sure you have a propre cam angle, not to high, choose a slow speed/ low angle, try to fly consisdent speed - you will get orientation about atitude by a cosisdant movement.