I don't see myself using a simulator much (if at all). I would rather go out to a field with a bag of batteries and other bits, and just learn. I prefer to learn by doing it for real, even if I make a complete tit of myself. If I break the quad, then I will learn to fix it as well. I can read books and watch videos all day, and for some things that is a requirement, but practical skills for me, are better learnt by doing. Also if you fly outside you have to learn in real conditions. Atmospheric conditions have effects and are variable.

My first will be the 95X V3, PNP and I will get an ELRS receiver to add to it. I weighed up all the options and for what i want to do, that drone will suffice, while still having enough power to make it fun. A Meteor might also be procured when funds allow, exact model I haven't decided on yet, but the 85 2S looks kind of sweet and the reviews seem to be fairly positive. Ideal maybe for indoors and small bando type usage?

More than anything I just want to get out and fly. Hoping to have the 95X and receiver by next week, then soldering fun. Still need to get some goggles, but that will happen as and when.

I wish you luck on your build cst3x6. i don't think I will build for a while. Once I have the basics of the hobby down, then I will start looking at making something custom. Until I can comfortably fly I don't see the point in creating a 5" custom project (but it might work for others).

Hi Pathfinder,

I am with you. I learned to fly in real time on a real quad. In fact, I have never 
yet even been on a sim {in my entire life}. Yeah, I have never been a gamer either.

Nothing beats stick time/flying but Sim can be a great tool to learn technical moves or specific moves before doing it on the real quads. I wish I had got on to SIM earlier when I started as my improvement in the first year would have been faster and less costly along the way. 

Betafpv 95xv3 can be flown indoor if you lower the camera angle and make some adjustments like throttle limit, throttle curve, etc. The foam around the frame will help with crash damage minimisation you hope. I had flown my Betafpv 95xV2 indoor ( moderate space)  quite comfortably but I have a few years of stick time.

Is it relatively simple to do throttle limiting? I'm guessing it's just a setting in Betaflight that you can apply along with a percentage number. What sort of number is ideal. I've seen people talk of limiting to 70%, but is that too much, or is it down to trial and error and what suits my environment?

Oh don't worry, when I try and learn hard acro moves i might use a sim. After watching pilots like Meekah doing flowey Matty Flips, they are very high on my list of things to learn, but getting my head around doing them will definitely require a sim (or I might go gung-ho and just do it and suffer the consequences).

Considering I can't even fly currently, moving to advanced acro might be pushing the envelope a bit right now. But I hope to fly as much as possible once I get the drone and kit. My aim is for an hour a day. I have no life, wife, kids, pets, etc, so I can easily fly for an hour a day if I want to. I also have a camper van with solar panels, so with the right 12v battery charger, I can recharge LiPo's on the fly when required. From that sort of perspective I have freedom to explore and find places to fly and infrastructure to allow me to do it as much as I want. Which will hopefully translate into accelerated experience and skill (or at least I hope that's the outcome).

Hi Pathfinder,

Throttle limiting is easy.  
SnowLeopardFPV shows the CLI commands in Post (#2)
in the Limit Throttle? thread.

Code:

As far as I know there is no "guide", you just pick a starting point and go from there.

My Meteor65S was so fast in the house that I had to go down to 65 (percent) to be
able to control it in my small space. Now, it flies just fine. 80 seems like a good 
starting point, then adjust from there.

It's very simple to change the throttle limit as pointed out above with the Cli command lines or you can also do it directly in the PID tuning page of BF configurator. Look for motor output limit scale factor next to cell count option, either bottom of the pageb( BF 4.2) or bottom right in BF 4.3.

No one size fits all in terms of value, choose one and adjust to your space/ quads/skill.

Thanks both of you.

Quote:I wish you luck on your build cst3x6. i don't think I will build for a while. Once I have the basics of the hobby down, then I will start looking at making something custom. Until I can comfortably fly I don't see the point in creating a 5" custom project (but it might work for others).

Thx Pathfinder075..   I'm focusing on the basics and learning to fly first as well, the build stuff are just thoughts at the moment, I will likely buy a sub 250 before I build one.

Good luck with your new drone!  If you keep the time schedule you mentioned you'll progress at a very nice pace for sure.

Btw, the throttle limit thing can be done on the transmitter too. There are several youtube videos showing how to do it, as well as a very nice documented how-to on Oscar Liang;s website (reccommend checking that out).

Yes, throttle limiting can be done on the transmitter, however, consider the following:

1) Setting it up on the transmitter affects all quads using that model.
2) Setting it up in Betaflight only affects that one, single, quad.

It doesn't sound like much difference unit you have multiple quads of different sizes and
flight characteristics.

On the transmitter, I basically have three models; one for each RC protocol:
Bayang (toy), FrSky D16, and FrSky R9. I have multiple quads that use each one.
By changing the throttle limit in Betaflight, it stays with that one quad and doesn't
affect the others which don't have a throttle limit, or not the same one.

Plus, if you bind that quad to a different transmitter, then it still has the throttle limit.

Personally, I like to keep the transmitter as "simple" as possible to reduce the amount
of changing that I have to do on it. 

Just a thought 

(11-May-2022, 01:00 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Yes, throttle limiting can be done on the transmitter, however, consider the following:

1) Setting it up on the transmitter affects all quads using that model.
2) Setting it up in Betaflight only affects that one, single, quad.

It doesn't sound like much difference unit you have multiple quads of different sizes and
flight characteristics.

On the transmitter, I basically have three models; one for each RC protocol:
Bayang (toy), FrSky D16, and FrSky R9. I have multiple quads that use each one.
By changing the throttle limit in Betaflight, it stays with that one quad and doesn't
affect the others which don't have a throttle limit, or not the same one.

Plus, if you bind that quad to a different transmitter, then it still has the throttle limit.

Personally, I like to keep the transmitter as "simple" as possible to reduce the amount
of changing that I have to do on it. 

Just a thought  :thinking:

That's not true.
You can set throttle curve and limit for specific quad on the radio. It does not affect all the bound quads.

You setup a curve and then choose the custom curve on the Input page of the specific quad.

(11-May-2022, 01:40 PM)jasperfpv Wrote: That's not true.
You can set throttle curve and limit for specific quad on the radio. It does not affect all the bound quads.

You setup a curve and then choose the custom curve on the Input page of the specific quad.

Hi Jasper,

Do you mean specific "MODEL". I use one model for 80 percent of my quads.

I understand that you can have different models with specific settings, but what if
you only have one model which works with all of your quads?

So, how does that work    

How does that model know which quad it is controlling 

Within your one " model " copied across different quads, you can choose to make changes to the throttle input/mixer settings for one specific quad if required.



I fly all sorts switching between Betaflight, Kiss, Flightone Falcox so the models settings are different on my radio. I will copy some Betaflight models for ease of setup but the radio settings will be a bit different from 65mm whoop to a heavy 6 inch.

May be we are talking about different things. The individual quad control is bound to the specific receivers. No?

I think that what iFly4rotors is saying is that if you use the same model "profile" on the transmitter for different quads, then a specific setting you've done (on the transmitter) for a specific quad, might not work well for another.

This is indeed one thing to keep in mind when doing very tailored settings. A throttle limit can be leveraged for pretty much for any quad, specially if you set it with sliders, but a throttle curve not so much.

The way people use and apply their settings is a personal thing, its the case of whatever one is most comfortable with and its up to each to decide what makes more sense for them. Its good to know your options so that one can better configure things to taste.

Is it normal to have one profile cover many drones? i would have thought you would almost have one profile per drone, since nothing is exactly the same, even between identical builds, things can be slightly different. Or do you have one profile for all drones and then create new ones when you find need to. I'm guessing if you have 20 or 30 drones, that you might run out of profile slots on some controllers and that could be a strategy for limiting profiles. Guessing this is something I am yet to discover.

(11-May-2022, 04:00 PM)jasperfpv Wrote: Within your one " model " copied across different quads,  you can choose to make changes to the throttle input/mixer settings  for one  specific quad if required.

     I only have one "model" per RC protocol type and I fly ALL of the quads with that receiver protocol
     with that one, single, model. I certainly don't copy a model for each quad. IF I did that, then I would
     have to remember which model goes with which quad. I fly dozens of different quads with the XM+
     receiver {the FrSky D16 is my primary RC protocol}...all with that same model. I don't have to
     change the transmitter model just because I switched quads. 

                NOTE:  A transmitter model can Bind to an infinite number of quads, 
                             but a quad can only bind to one transmitter model.
  
I fly all sorts switching between Betaflight,  Kiss, Flightone Falcox so the models settings are different on my radio.  I will copy some Betaflight models for ease of setup but the radio settings will be a bit different  from 65mm whoop to a heavy 6 inch.

     Here is where our thoughts differ. I use the same standard transmitter model for ALL quads having a
     given receiver, mostly the XM+, regardless of size...everything from tiny whoop to my current largest
     which is a 5 inch, but will also use it for my 6 and 7 inch builds (upcoming). The transmitter does the
     basic stuff: Yeah, the RETA stick controls plus passing information for 6 switches. That's it. That is all
     that the transmitter needs in my opinion. Keep the transmitter model simple. 

     It does, however, require a model for each RC link protocol so I have three models; one for each of
     the three protocols that I use: Bayang (Toys), FrSky D16 (XM+), and FrSky R9.

May be we are talking about different things. The individual quad control is bound to the specific receivers. No?

     The individual quad is bound to a specific model on a specific transmitter, but the individual control
     features are handled by the FC firmware. The transmitter merely passes signals to the receiver, but it is
     the FC firmware that determines what to do with it. The Quad specialization is in the FC firmware
     configuration.

     Consider that all of the following settings are in the FC firmware (Betaflight for me) and
     NOT in the transmitter model:   Name, Ports, AUX modes and what switch operates them
     Receiver information, Failsafe, VTX settings, Tuning (PIDS, Rates, etc.), battery calibration,
     LED configuration, etc. In fact, you can have 3 different profile settings in Betaflight and
     put these on a switch and change them during flight. Actually, each quad could have different
     functionality for the 6 switches that are set up on the transmitter even though the model
     is the same. The transmitter doesn't say what the switches do, it is the FC firmware that 
     controls the function.

     Let's say that I normally us the SF switch to ARM my quads, but I have a special one that
     I want to use the SA switch for ARMING so in the Betaflight Modes tab, I set the ARM 
     feature to use AUX6 (I have the SA switch on Channel 10 on the transmitter) rather than
     AUX1. Notice that the transmitter model does NOT have to be changed.

     So from my perspective, NO, the quads individualization is configured in the FC firmware,
     NOT the transmitter.

     

Hi Jasper

From my perspective, it is more effective to keep the transmitter as generic as possible since
all the transmitter is really doing is just sending signals to the FC firmware via the RC link
receiver. It is the FC firmware (Betaflight for me) that determines what to do with it. In fact,
it seems like all of a quad's configuration, settings, and specialization is managed in this firmware.
Beside, we have got to be in the FC firmware to set up a quad anyway; this is also were all of the
PID tuning happens. Why not set the throttle limit here as well. I just makes sense to me.

If  you use the same RC protocol, you could probably use just one transmitter model for each
type of firmware. Again, quad specialization is handled by the FC firmware configuration.

Anyway, that is my perspective on it.