… I’m just going to comply.. buy the damn module.. make sure it is in operational working order… NO I will not use any “spoofing” device either…
If any Karen or LEO wants my transmitted information .. so be it!!!!!
….if they can receive the transmissions from inside a mini faraday bag

Hi Rob,

I think that it will all be ok. 

I doubt that anyone is going to come after you, even if you fly outside 
of your Faraday bag.  Everything is going to be ALL RIGHT. 

If I wanted to fly a "heavy", then I would just bite-the-bullet, buy a Remote ID
module, Register the drone, and go fly. As I have said, a little discretion will
go a long way. Well, it also helps if we are following ALL of the FAA regulations
including flying within Visual Line Of Sight, keeping the altitude below 400 ft,
and generally not making a nuisance of ourselves. Now that I fly in rural areas,
I don't even see people and I am bothered by NO One. 

Later, My Friend, iFly  

*sigh*

Yeah. As much as I say, “Ain’t no way I’m gonna do that!”, I am. I’ll eventually get the cheapest, lightest remoteID module I can find, just so that I can still fly a 5” when I want to.

Honestly, it’s not like there’s really anyone out here to receive the signal.

(22-Jul-2023, 05:48 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Pennywise,

From my research, Whispernet was cellular based and utilized ATT's 3G cellular infrastructure,
however, it seems that AMAZON had a contract with ATT for this service. It was NOT FREE. 

I never said it was a totally cost free solution. You sound more knowledgeable than I though. I only worked for the government for the past 30. Mostly in OSP dealing with fiber and POTS. Then moving to some ISP with PBX work mixed in very infrequently. I move on to software later after a ton of networking experience. 


But I stopped reading at the above since you started putting words in my mouth. And yelling at me while you do it!

That was not my intention.

Please accept my apology.

Not watched this yet but I imagine he's got a larger viewing audience than all of FPV Youtubers combined:

Oh… did I mention as I’m complying .. with my RID module.. I’m gonna have N.W.A. (Eff the police) blasting so loud every Karen can hear….
Ok, no I won’t… but it would be cool as eff…

(26-Jul-2023, 10:01 PM)sevro Wrote: Not watched this yet but I imagine he's got a larger viewing audience than all of FPV Youtubers combined:

I agree, this legislation has nothing to do with safety. Hopefully this will come out in more mainstream media. Telling me what I can do on my own property is insane (what has this country come to). I will always be sub 250 grams (except my Mavic 2 Pro which only sees a couple few flights a year), and will keep flying my little whoops on my property without a spotter as anyone I might hurt with my tiny little toy is a trespasser anyway... And I will continue to use my Mavic 2 Pro to check my gutters, ect on my own property, and the powers at be can go pound salt!!!

Good people break bad laws!

…and good people get sentenced to jail or prison time for breaking bad laws, because, a law being bad, if it’s not unconstitutional, is not an excuse for breaking it.

I mean, in this case we’re talking about civil infractions which is typically a fine, but, y’know, there are consequences to actions, and even if you think you are, or are, fully within your rights- a good defense attorney isn’t cheap.

We’re not going to talk about all of the laws that I consider “bad”, but they extend far beyond what we might do in our hobby.

Where was this guy (and many others) 3 years ago when the FAA was taking comments?

Where was he when RDQ was in the process of their lawsuit against the FAA?

Even though the video is very well presented, I doubt that the general public is going
to see it, watch it, or even care. The current population of the United State is almost
340,000,000 people. How many UAS (drone) pilots are there? Maybe a couple of million?
Let's be generous and say 3,000,000. That is still less than 1 percent of the population.
Moreover, does 99 percent of the population really care about drones? Maybe some do,
but maybe not on our side. We are beating a dead horse (as they say).

 

(27-Jul-2023, 12:32 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Where was this guy (and many others) 3 years ago when the FAA was taking comments?

To be fair, almost nobody has heard of Remote ID to this day. Three years ago, I knew nothing of UAV laws, and nobody had ever brought up the topic. To my knowledge, Louis doesn't participate at all with UAVs, so it's surprising that he heard anything about it.

A huge issue with lawmaking is that most of the things proposed aren't even known to the general public, so despite our supposed duty to vote, we aren't even told about the things we're supposed to help decide. When these things are brought to light, they're either mired in legalese or banded together with other unrelated things.

It's all very discouraging to me.

Now here is the thing, why would one believe that almost nobody knows 
about Remote ID ?? This topic has been bantered around openly for the
past 3 years. 

There was plenty of information being spread about Remote ID 3 years ago
when the FAA was collecting comments. In fact, the drone community was
spreading it around and many YouTubers were trying to get pilots to make
comments. Being in the drone community, it seemed like everyone was asking,
no begging, everyone to send in comments, including XJet, Bruce.  It was all 
over YouTube.  So my question is, why didn't concerned YouTubers, including 
XJet have a bigger push back then? By the way, the FAA received approximately
53,000 comments (suggestions) out of how many drone pilots? Think about it.
The likely estimate at the time was maybe 1,000,000 or more. No one knows
for sure since a lot of pilots don't register their drones; not even drones that
were required to be registered; even back then. Consider that 53K is a pretty 
small number, maybe about 5 percent. For the past 3 years, Remote ID has been 
discussed almost continuously in one place or another. The information is out there
if someone wants to find it.

Why didn't the current "Big Push Back Rant" not happen back then?

Next, RDQ filed a lawsuit against the FAA regarding Remote ID. I think that they 
based it on the 4th amendment and the pilot's right to privacy. They LOST. It seems 
that a pilot gives up that right in order to operate an aircraft in regulated airspace
which is basically all of it. As the lawsuit was being prepared there were a lot of
public (including YouTube) requests to support RDQ and help by sending funds.
I don't know how much they collected, but I would guess not much compared to
the legal costs. 

That said, if a person wasn't already a drone pilot or not affiliated with any drone
group, forum, or just searching YT for drone information, why would one know
or even care? Potential drone pilots seem to think that they are just buying a toy
and don't think about whether or not its use is regulated. Same goes for those who
consider themselves as hobbyists; they aren't commercial pilots so surely what they
do is not regulated. However, these are all incorrect assumptions. Yet, they don't
seem to bother checking, I didn't, so...how would they know.

Also from my perspective, there are 3 main categories of drone pilots. 1) commercial
pilots, 2) Content providers; the camera drone folks, and 3) FPV builder/pilots.
Out of necessity, the commercial pilots register their drones and have Part 107 pilots 
licenses, are in it for the money, and operate within the regulations. These pilots can
and do get waivers for certain activities. The FAA has always wanted everyone to be in 
this classification. Next, you have, what I call, content providers. Those who buy a camera 
drone and go collect content. These folks likely consider themselves has hobbyists, however, 
they are NOT since any use of the content is a Part 107 activity and requires drone registration 
and Part 107 pilot license. Finally, we have the FPV builder/pilots which I consider to be the
true hobbyists. This group seems to have the loudest voices, but is very likely the smallest 
group. Still, if a person doesn't belong to a forum, group, club, or just look this up on YT, 
then they might not know.

You know, I had been in the hobby for about a year and was on this forum before
anyone even mentioned laws and regulations. Some might consider regulations not
to be law, however, they carry the same weight and effect so I see no real difference.
I don't recall the precise situation, however, a member mentioned to me that most FPV 
flights were illegal anyway and that there are regulations. Why had no one mentioned 
this sooner?? All of the regulations such as registration for any drone over 250 grams, 
keeping the drone within Visual Line Of Sight, having a co-located spotter for FPV flights, 
and many others have been in effect since 2016 (according to information that I came 
across). Also, congress mandated that the FAA have sole authority and regulatory control 
over all airspace within  the USA and that all aircraft operating in that airspace is subject 
to these regulations. Aircraft is defined as any object that can maintain flight. If that craft
is not manned, it is a drone. If the drone is controlled remotely, it is an Unmanned Aerial
System (UAS). There is no such thing as a toy aircraft. Even if it weighs 1 gram and flies,
it is an aircraft. Why do drones not come with a label stating "Subject to FAA regulations"?

Congress set it up this way so that each state didn't try to have their own airspace regulations
which might be different from state to state and a real pain. It would be like each state having
its own currency. So, it makes logical sense that the FAA have regulatory authority over all of
the airspace. Even though there is the concept that a person owns airspace over his property,
congress has already mandated that the airspace is granted "easement" for any air traffic and
as such subject to FAA authority. 

The FAA wanted all UAS (drone) pilots to have a Part 107 license, however, congress 
mandated that the FAA carve out a Recreational Exemption for the hobbyist. So, they did.
Without getting into a deep discussion about how or why the 250 gram weight mark was
used, aircraft under 250 grams can be flown solely and purely for recreational purposes
(just for FUN) under this exemption. Essentially, that means just fly for fun and don't do
anything with the video (even posting on YT is considered a Part 107 activity). 

Although this is just my opinion, everyone who flies any aircraft or intends to fly any aircraft 
of any size should first find out if the craft is regulated and what the regulations are for the 
airspace in which they intend to fly. There is no "free" airspace in the USA; All of it is regulated 
by the FAA. Every drone pilot should, at the very least, know what the regulations are. 

Consider the following:
 
Regardless of size, if a person wants to operate a motor vehicle, shouldn't they at least know 
the laws that govern its use? One might say "that is not the same", but isn't it? Even though
one can do something (and get away with it), does that make it right? 

Consider that the general public is not granted a vote on most legislation 
and for good reason. Imagine if every single law had to be subjected to
a vote by the general public. It would be an absolute nightmare to get
anything done. You know, sometimes they will put a proposed law on
the voting ballet. While I am sure some folks know what it is, I normally
don't. When we get the ballet or know the proposal will be on it, we
often discuss to see if we know anything about it and how to vote on
it. Most of the time, it is like throwing darts. For this reason, law making
is left to the representatives that we, the people, elect to perform that
job. 

Now, what if the Remote ID regulation was put on the national ballet
for the entire nation; over 161 million registered voters? Do you think
that Remote ID would pass? My money says that it would pass since
most people would likely align with the Karens before aligning with the
drone community. Plus, not everyone in the drone community believes
that Remote ID is a bad thing. 

Now, anyone watching these Rant videos will discover that, besides
being somewhat hilarious, many of them are either just blowing off
steam or presenting information that is not totally accurate and that
often relevant and vital information is omitted. It makes me wonder if 
those folks have actually read the FAA regulations or just joining a "me too" 
movement. While this is all well and good and everyone is entitled to an 
opinion, I don't see how it is giving credibility to the drone community. 

At this point, it will be what it will be. It just is what it is. 

I only got into drones 4 months ago. I had never heard of remote ID until about 3 months ago, and only as of a month or two ago do I have some small understanding about it.
This is a really niche topic for the public when most people are more concerned about the world falling apart in general.

Hi FPVme,

I totally agree. 




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Truth is, I doubt that the general public even knows or cares about Remote ID 
since most of them are not actively involved in UAS (drones). We are a very, very, 
tiny niche in the grander scheme of things. I also believe that what we consider to
be "FPV" is a small niche in the overall drone community. 

What I don't understand is why the drone community doesn't seem to suggest to 
new pilots that they know the FAA regulations for the airspace that they intend to fly.
Except for new regulations that the community doesn't agree with, the FAA regulations
just don't seem to get mentioned. I certainly wish that someone would have pointed 
this out to me when I first started. Of course, I should have done my own due diligence 
and researched the regulations before I got into it, but I just didn't think about it. 

When or before getting into any endeavor is it not wise to consider whether or not 
there are any regulations?  Yeah, I didn't either, but should have. When it was pointed 
out to me, then I read the FAA regulations. Now, I periodically go over the regulations, 
watch related YT videos, and try to be aware of how I fit into the scheme of things.

By the way, I focus on sub-250 gram drones and only fly purely and solely for fun
so that registration is not required and neither is Remote ID. I also only fly in rural
areas where there are essentially no people.