Posts: 21,227 Threads: 584 Likes Received: 8,955 in 6,626 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (18-Mar-2019, 03:26 PM)Drone0fPrey Wrote: Personally I would just get the regular model, not pro, and get yourself an extra roll of filament. 
There is very little difference for the extra money. What about the MK10 extruder for printing TPU? Seems like that only comes on the pro version. Do you not need it for TPU, or did you buy one of those extruders separately as an add-on? If the answer is in one of those videos the apologies as I'm out at lunch so not had chance to watch them yet. Posts: 863 Threads: 43 Likes Received: 286 in 202 posts Likes Given: 12 Joined: Nov 2018 Reputation: 5 That way understanding of the Pro as well. Needed for TPU printing. Either way, Pro is ordered. They claim 3-5 working days. We'll see. Filament arrives tomorrow.
Kinda excited....
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10" 6S FR10-G Long Range, 5" 6S Rooster, 5" 6S Badger, 5" 6S QAV-S, 5" 4S Badger, 5" 4S Phreakstyle Slam, 5" 6S Yema, 5" 4S Stark, 3" 4S Gecko, and a 3S 2.5" Tadpole, all of which are Crossfire. Tinyhawk, Tinyhawk S, and a DJI Spark. And projects on the bench....
Posts: 1,773 Threads: 30 Likes Received: 1,199 in 755 posts Likes Given: 714 Joined: Oct 2016 Reputation: 45 18-Mar-2019, 04:09 PM (This post was last modified: 18-Mar-2019, 04:17 PM by RENOV8R.) (18-Mar-2019, 03:41 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: What about the MK10 extruder for printing TPU? Seems like that only comes on the pro version. Do you not need it for TPU, or did you buy one of those extruders separately as an add-on?
If the answer is in one of those videos the apologies as I'm out at lunch so not had chance to watch them yet. This can get a little confusing when discussing the "extruder" as there is the extruder on the body of the machine that feeds/pushes filament down the Bowden tube and into the hotend unit, which is also referred to an extruder. Most all printers are capable of printing TPU as it only needs to be heated to approx. 220C. The problem arises in the feeder as TPU is super flexible just like an elastic band, so if there is any gap in the path between the rollers that push the filament and where it enters the Bowden tube, it will bunch up and jam. Feeder extruder https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MK10-Extruder-Ki...SwKIdaVX-R Hotend extruder https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MK10-Extruder-Ho...SwrMhcfyQP Dude, where's my quad? Posts: 21,227 Threads: 584 Likes Received: 8,955 in 6,626 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (18-Mar-2019, 03:44 PM)Deal-E-O Wrote: That way understanding of the Pro as well. Needed for TPU printing. Either way, Pro is ordered. They claim 3-5 working days. We'll see. Filament arrives tomorrow.
Kinda excited.... Nice one. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it  I like how they appear to have a fictitious stock level showing on their website  They had 74 in stock earlier on before you ordered and they apparently still have that number in stock even though they sold at least one. And no matter which warehouse you choose, every one of those warehouses seems to have 74 in stock which I find a bit hard to believe  ![[-]](https://intofpv.com/images/collapse.png) • Posts: 21,227 Threads: 584 Likes Received: 8,955 in 6,626 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (18-Mar-2019, 04:09 PM)RENOV8R Wrote: This can get a little confusing when discussing the "extruder" as there is the extruder on the body of the machine that feeds/pushes filament down the Bowden tube and into the hotend unit, which is also referred to an extruder. Most all printers are capable of printing TPU as it only needs to be heated to approx. 220C. The problem arises in the feeder as TPU is super flexible just like an elastic band, so if there is any gap in the path between the rollers that push the filament and where it enters the Bowden tube, it will bunch up and jam.
Feeder extruder
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MK10-Extruder-Ki...SwKIdaVX-R
Hotend extruder
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MK10-Extruder-Ho...SwrMhcfyQP Thanks for the info. If FPV wasn't a minefield of information to learn, this whole 3D design and printing stuff is yet another new complicated topic to learn and understand Posts: 2,410 Threads: 136 Likes Received: 1,790 in 1,052 posts Likes Given: 3,302 Joined: Jan 2017 Reputation: 50 18-Mar-2019, 06:09 PM (This post was last modified: 18-Mar-2019, 06:10 PM by Drone0fPrey.) (18-Mar-2019, 03:41 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: What about the MK10 extruder for printing TPU? Seems like that only comes on the pro version. Do you not need it for TPU, or did you buy one of those extruders separately as an add-on?
If the answer is in one of those videos the apologies as I'm out at lunch so not had chance to watch them yet. Many people report they can print harder TPU without modifications. Shore hardness 95A, usually what we use for most mini-quad parts and cam mounts. The softer stuff, shore hardness 85A is rubbery like phone cases, rubber feet ect. and that is where you may get some squished jam ups. The upgrades can be easily printed out for super soft TPU on the normal model. Chep does a great job explaining. I have upgraded the PTFE tube on mine as well. Notice it is blue instead of white. Capricorn Tubing is supposed to be the best, least friction. To also aid in TPU printing. If you want to spend some money, this looks very nice, and still cheaper than the pro model. Posts: 863 Threads: 43 Likes Received: 286 in 202 posts Likes Given: 12 Joined: Nov 2018 Reputation: 5 I got to looking, price was $259, but apparently I got a $10 discount for some reason. Not complaining, I'll take it, hehe. Plus it ships for free.
Deal Here's the Deal
10" 6S FR10-G Long Range, 5" 6S Rooster, 5" 6S Badger, 5" 6S QAV-S, 5" 4S Badger, 5" 4S Phreakstyle Slam, 5" 6S Yema, 5" 4S Stark, 3" 4S Gecko, and a 3S 2.5" Tadpole, all of which are Crossfire. Tinyhawk, Tinyhawk S, and a DJI Spark. And projects on the bench....
Posts: 2,410 Threads: 136 Likes Received: 1,790 in 1,052 posts Likes Given: 3,302 Joined: Jan 2017 Reputation: 50 (18-Mar-2019, 06:51 PM)Deal-E-O Wrote: I got to looking, price was $259, but apparently I got a $10 discount for some reason. Not complaining, I'll take it, hehe. Plus it ships for free.
Deal  Yeah they had the same deal going when I purchased. @$200 you save $10, and goes up at $250 and $300 $500 ect. That's why I ordered a few spools of filament from them. Ended up getting a spool for free pretty much. • Posts: 863 Threads: 43 Likes Received: 286 in 202 posts Likes Given: 12 Joined: Nov 2018 Reputation: 5 Free is always good. Unless we're talking STD's, hehe.
Deal Here's the Deal
10" 6S FR10-G Long Range, 5" 6S Rooster, 5" 6S Badger, 5" 6S QAV-S, 5" 4S Badger, 5" 4S Phreakstyle Slam, 5" 6S Yema, 5" 4S Stark, 3" 4S Gecko, and a 3S 2.5" Tadpole, all of which are Crossfire. Tinyhawk, Tinyhawk S, and a DJI Spark. And projects on the bench....
Posts: 3,533 Threads: 265 Likes Received: 2,610 in 1,545 posts Likes Given: 3,893 Joined: Feb 2018 Reputation: 78 Thanks for all the great pics, Stephen. You really have stoked the fire.
Posts: 21,227 Threads: 584 Likes Received: 8,955 in 6,626 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 19-Mar-2019, 08:33 AM (This post was last modified: 19-Mar-2019, 09:00 AM by SnowLeopardFPV.) I watched all the videos last night and also the following one below as well. The end result with all the stringy bits didn't look particularly impressive but maybe that is what you get with 3D printing in general and you just have to a lot of post printing cleanup afterwards. I don't really have enough knowledge about it all yet to know what is a reasonable outcome to expect from a raw print straight off the press.
Also, after reading a bit more about TPU printing with bowden extruders (vs direct drive extruders), I'm sort of back on the fence again with this one. While the Ender 3 does currently look like one of the better 3D printers in the budget class, I think I need to spend more time researching stuff before just jumping in feet first.
• Posts: 863 Threads: 43 Likes Received: 286 in 202 posts Likes Given: 12 Joined: Nov 2018 Reputation: 5 Eh, just jump in, hehe.
Either way, mine is shipping today. And awaiting my refund on the first machine.
Deal Here's the Deal
10" 6S FR10-G Long Range, 5" 6S Rooster, 5" 6S Badger, 5" 6S QAV-S, 5" 4S Badger, 5" 4S Phreakstyle Slam, 5" 6S Yema, 5" 4S Stark, 3" 4S Gecko, and a 3S 2.5" Tadpole, all of which are Crossfire. Tinyhawk, Tinyhawk S, and a DJI Spark. And projects on the bench....
• Posts: 21,227 Threads: 584 Likes Received: 8,955 in 6,626 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (19-Mar-2019, 01:13 PM)Deal-E-O Wrote: Eh, just jump in, hehe. No, I can't do that now that I've seen some more detailed reviews on it LOL. I've got OCD and am always generally quite thorough with any research I do, so I need to spend more time looking into this. While this one does still look good and one that I may still end up getting, I need to do a lot more in depth research first instead of rushing in on a whim. If I have to spend more money on something that produces better results then I'll do that (within reason), but I do also have space considerations to think about as well so it will also come down to one with dimensions that will physically fit. For me, buying a 3D printer will be a long term investment so if I do get one, it will need to last me a good few years without me having to throw it away and upgrade, which I would consider to be false economy Posts: 909 Threads: 59 Likes Received: 543 in 318 posts Likes Given: 730 Joined: Nov 2018 Reputation: 26 Personally I am a big fan of direct drive. When I was looking a couple of years ago there were very few DD options. Almost all were Bowden type, I just don't get why. Have you ever tried to push a rope ? From what I read on most of the Bowden types, there were all kinds of "mods" to do to them to get them to work better and special Bowden tubes that were "close tolerance" so it was easier to push the filament through. Why ? Direct drive solves most of these problems and judging from my printer is not hard to do and I don't think it costs anymore to mount the motor here instead of there. I have been puzzled as to why the Bowden type is so popular. The only drawback to the direct drive setup that I can see is that the Stepper motor is close to a heat source. I have been running mine for a couple of years now with no issues. So I don't understand why.
just my 2cents worth
Scott • Posts: 1,773 Threads: 30 Likes Received: 1,199 in 755 posts Likes Given: 714 Joined: Oct 2016 Reputation: 45 I think also with the DD system, the extra weight of the extruder motor on the hot end carriage may cause some issues. But like anything, each has it's pros and cons. I would assume that a DD system would be much better for printing flexible filament Dude, where's my quad? |
