If it was the stock C03 camera, I actually thought that was a pretty decent whoop camera. Not the greatest resolution but had a nice clear image. For 65mm whoop, even saving a gram will get you better flight performance, your new Lite canopy should match up nicely with the C03. I think the Nano camera is just too big and heavy, Foxeer does have a Pico Razer that might be more suitable if you prefer the razer image. I think quadflyer tested out the Tinywhoop pinch cam and liked that.

(16-Apr-2024, 07:17 PM)mstc Wrote: If it was the stock C03 camera, I actually thought that was a pretty decent whoop camera. Not the greatest resolution but had a nice clear image. For 65mm whoop, even saving a gram will get you better flight performance, your new Lite canopy should match up nicely with the C03. I think the Nano camera is just too big and heavy, Foxeer does have a Pico Razer that might be more suitable if you prefer the razer image. I think quadflyer tested out the Tinywhoop pinch cam and liked that.

The CO3 did not appeal to me although it is nice and light. I just tested the Foxeer outside and it was not great. Focus seems off. I can spend a bit of time focusing the lens but it is easier to swap in another camera. 

I always liked the Caddx Baby Ratel. I used it for a while in my Cinelog35 when the Ratel 2 died. Now that I have a new Ratel 2 in the Cinelog35 I can put the Baby Ratel in the Meteor65. 

I do like it much better outdoor although I barely get 2 minutes from the BetaFPV 300 mah pack. I think the packs are just junk. The camera is very comfortable though. Not the sharpest but I don't expect a tiny analog to be that sharp. The Foxeer was way off though.

The Baby Ratel seems so small, there is a lot of room in the canopy.

Baby Ratel is very nice, one of my favorite analog cameras and it has that sunset filter color balance that makes skies look more pleasant. The Toothless 2 is nearly identical. The Baby Ratel 2 is lighter and has a shorter profile, but many would consider it too heavy for a whoop. But why not, if you are mainly cruising around and have extra packs to swap.

I have a Razer Nano, but the light level was way too low for me to see clearly and that camera has no adjustments. Some comparisons from back when I flew more analog
https://youtu.be/DWfoafiHUys?t=1

Not so sure about the orange canopy with blue frame, though.

(16-Apr-2024, 08:57 PM)mstc Wrote: Baby Ratel is very nice, one of my favorite analog cameras and it has that sunset filter color balance that makes skies look more pleasant. The Toothless 2 is nearly identical. The Baby Ratel 2 is lighter and has a shorter profile, but many would consider it too heavy for a whoop. But why not, if you are mainly cruising around and have extra packs to swap.

I have a Razer Nano, but the light level was way too low for me to see clearly and that camera has no adjustments. Some comparisons from back when I flew more analog
https://youtu.be/DWfoafiHUys?t=1

So far so good. The Baby Ratel is "comfortable". I need to play with the focus on the Razer Nano. Maybe it is a quality control issue. 

Talking about quality issue I bought a Runcam Phoenix 2 and it was so nice I bought another one. The second one just couldn't give me the same image quality so it sits in the box.

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(16-Apr-2024, 09:21 PM)Pathfinder075 Wrote: Not so sure about the orange canopy with blue frame, though.

Yea, I have a blue one also but figured I will MIX things up a bit.

(16-Apr-2024, 09:21 PM)Pathfinder075 Wrote: Not so sure about the orange canopy with blue frame, though.

What do you mean 



Though technically that's the cyan frame.

I need more flight time! What is the simplest way to get it?

1) Put bigger battery in the Meteor65.
2) Get a Happy Model Moblite7. (not in stock anywhere)(Need bigger battery also. I do have some)
3) Get a Happy Model Mobula7. (not in stock either) (Need bigger battery also. I do have some, depending on which.)
4) Get a Meteor75 and bigger battery.
5) Other consideration like building one from scratch.

I need flight time of at least 5 minutes. This 2 to 3 minutes flight time is just a bit too short.

In case you haven't watched Angry Don's videos...

(17-Apr-2024, 09:40 PM)SeismicCWave Wrote: I need more flight time! What is the simplest way to get it?

1) Put bigger battery in the Meteor65.
2) Get a Happy Model Moblite7. (not in stock anywhere)(Need bigger battery also. I do have some)
3) Get a Happy Model Mobula7. (not in stock either) (Need bigger battery also. I do have some, depending on which.)
4) Get a Meteor75 and bigger battery.
5) Other consideration like building one from scratch.

I need flight time of at least 5 minutes. This 2 to 3 minutes flight time is just a bit too short.

Take parts off Meteor65 and put on Meteor75 frame.  Add bigger props.  That will improve things a little.  Strip away every last bit of extra weight and you will get some more air time.  But if you go up to a Meteor75 frame, then invest in some 1002's or 1003's.

Personally i'd toss the Meteor65 in the proverbial bin and build a custom Meteor75 on 1002 14000kv motors based around 2S.  Aim for the sort of power in this video.  But bear in mind I like oversized, overpowered motors and really hate lacklustre builds where you have to skimp on everything to get any sort of performance.  Builds I like have power on tap for when you want it. When AngryDon comments about the lack of power to pull out of a dive, that pretty much sums up 65mm for me.  No power.  Perfect for noob who don't know how to fly, but the second you know what the sticks do and can fly in the air for a minute or two, you've outgrown it.

Hi SeismicCWave,

Since the Meteor65 is a 1S, the only way to get more energy (Watt Hours) 
is to get a battery with higher mAh. Of course, most bigger batteries will
not fit the battery compartment, so, you could mount the battery outside
the compartment, but you might need to extend the quad's battery lead
wires.  However, the A30 connector is compatible with the BT 2.0 and
some of the batteries come with lead wires instead of having the connector
right up against the battery. If you mount the battery sideways, you can 
use a strap to secure it to the compartment brace. 

There are an assortment of bare connectors both with and without wire
pigtails. The female connectors do not come with wires because the male
ones with the pigtails are meant to be used on the FC, the females are 
just bare. 

You could also transplant the guts to a 40mm open prop frame. If you 
don't need the whoops, then this could be an option since there are
basically no limitations on the battery size or mounting. The 40mm
props do help. Swapping the components to a different frame is a
pretty easy thing especially since the FC and motors have plugs. 
Yeah, it is more or less, plug and play. 

Of course, you could just buy another quad; whooped or open prop 
and keep the Meteor65 as an indoor flier (that's what I have chosen 
to do with mine). This option really opens up the choices; what you
want, what you need, what fits, whooped, open prop, etc. etc.

The Meteor75 is a 1S that the specs say can get 6.5 minutes of fly 
time (probably with a 550 mAh).

When I fly outdoors, I much prefer the open prop quads over those
with whoops or prop guards. First, they tend to be more efficient.
Next, the battery mounting options are more flexible. Also, I really
like the 2.5 inch size for just playing around and most of these can
take 2S or 3S and get fly times well over 10 minutes. 

My issue with 1S quads is the limitations of the 1S battery which, 
currently, top out at about 750 mAh; of course, they weigh more too.

If you can get your hands on one of those batteries with an A30 and wire
leads such as these Flywoo 450 mAh ones or these GNB 550 mAh ones,
then you might give that a try. I will say that the extra weight and mounting
the battery outside the compartment might affect the handling characteristics
for stunts; not so much for just cruising. 

Of course, when you build, you get precisely what you want.

I am not sure if my commentary helps, but here it is anyway.

Later, iFly  

(18-Apr-2024, 12:28 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi SeismicCWave,

Since the Meteor65 is a 1S, the only way to get more energy (Watt Hours) 
is to get a battery with higher mAh. Of course, most bigger batteries will
not fit the battery compartment, so, you could mount the battery outside
the compartment, but you might need to extend the quad's battery lead
wires.  However, the A30 connector is compatible with the BT 2.0 and
some of the batteries come with lead wires instead of having the connector
right up against the battery. If you mount the battery sideways, you can 
use a strap to secure it to the compartment brace. 

There are an assortment of bare connectors both with and without wire
pigtails. The female connectors do not come with wires because the male
ones with the pigtails are meant to be used on the FC, the females are 
just bare. 

You could also transplant the guts to a 40mm open prop frame. If you 
don't need the whoops, then this could be an option since there are
basically no limitations on the battery size or mounting. The 40mm
props do help. Swapping the components to a different frame is a
pretty easy thing especially since the FC and motors have plugs. 
Yeah, it is more or less, plug and play. 

Of course, you could just buy another quad; whooped or open prop 
and keep the Meteor65 as an indoor flier (that's what I have chosen 
to do with mine). This option really opens up the choices; what you
want, what you need, what fits, whooped, open prop, etc. etc.

The Meteor75 is a 1S that the specs say can get 6.5 minutes of fly 
time (probably with a 550 mAh).

When I fly outdoors, I much prefer the open prop quads over those
with whoops or prop guards. First, they tend to be more efficient.
Next, the battery mounting options are more flexible. Also, I really
like the 2.5 inch size for just playing around and most of these can
take 2S or 3S and get fly times well over 10 minutes. 

My issue with 1S quads is the limitations of the 1S battery which, 
currently, top out at about 750 mAh; of course, they weigh more too.

If you can get your hands on one of those batteries with an A30 and wire
leads such as these Flywoo 450 mAh ones or these GNB 550 mAh ones,
then you might give that a try. I will say that the extra weight and mounting
the battery outside the compartment might affect the handling characteristics
for stunts; not so much for just cruising. 

Of course, when you build, you get precisely what you want.

I am not sure if my commentary helps, but here it is anyway.

Later, iFly  

I still bump into the wall a lot so better not try open prop indoor.  

Ok larger capacity battery it is. I ordered some 350 mah and 380 mah packs. I tried to stay with compatible connectors to the BT2.0 so either BT2.0 or A30. Too bad I cannot find any GNB27 adapter. I did get some BT2.0 male and female without wires so I can make my own adapters.

Then I just had a philosophical work around in my head. If I do two flights at 2 1/2 minutes each, that would have been a 5 minute flight except for the landing and swapping battery.

(17-Apr-2024, 10:34 PM)mstc Wrote: In case you haven't watched Angry Don's videos...

Thanks, I have not seen it. So 850 mah battery pack on a Mobula7. That should be a goof long flight. Then again if I want to fly longer outdoor I have strapped a 550 mah pack on my Mobula8 and that worked. 

FWIW I ruined 4X Tattu 450 mah 2S pack back to back. They were from eBay. Not sure if that was an issue or not but 4 packs when belly up all in a row. One cell on each just died.  Luckily I have 4 that just came and they just had their first flight.

(17-Apr-2024, 11:06 PM)Pathfinder075 Wrote: Take parts off Meteor65 and put on Meteor75 frame.  Add bigger props.  That will improve things a little.  Strip away every last bit of extra weight and you will get some more air time.  But if you go up to a Meteor75 frame, then invest in some 1002's or 1003's.

Personally i'd toss the Meteor65 in the proverbial bin and build a custom Meteor75 on 1002 14000kv motors based around 2S.  Aim for the sort of power in this video.  But bear in mind I like oversized, overpowered motors and really hate lacklustre builds where you have to skimp on everything to get any sort of performance.  Builds I like have power on tap for when you want it. When AngryDon comments about the lack of power to pull out of a dive, that pretty much sums up 65mm for me.  No power.  Perfect for noob who don't know how to fly, but the second you know what the sticks do and can fly in the air for a minute or two, you've outgrown it.

Sorry, that is not the kind of flying I do. That makes me dizzy and ready to throw up.

I will keep the 65mm for indoor. No power dive for me. I am too old to worry about flying acro. I just like to cruise around to calm my soul. 

Building a 75mm from scratch is not off the table though. I do want to build a lighter weight 2S 3" tooth pick first. Trying to build a quiet one so I can fly earlier in the morning without waking up the neighbors. Some of my 2" quads scream so badly I can even hear it without my hearing aids.

(18-Apr-2024, 12:59 AM)SeismicCWave Wrote: Sorry, that is not the kind of flying I do. That makes me dizzy and ready to throw up.

I will keep the 65mm for indoor. No power dive for me. I am too old to worry about flying acro. I just like to cruise around to calm my soul. 

Building a 75mm from scratch is not off the table though. I do want to build a lighter weight 2S 3" tooth pick first. Trying to build a quiet one so I can fly earlier in the morning without waking up the neighbors. Some of my 2" quads scream so badly I can even hear it without my hearing aids.

Hi SeismicCWave,

You just described me and my flying style. I like smooth easy flying, often at high
altitude, and just cruise and enjoy the scenery.      

From the beginning, I have always strived to get the most fly time out of my craft,
even at the expense of hi-performance and have done a lot of work and experimentation
in the pursuit of that goal. 

Also, my quads are all pretty quiet. 

Later, iFly   

(18-Apr-2024, 01:28 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote:
Hi SeismicCWave,

You just described me and my flying style. I like smooth easy flying, often at high
altitude, and just cruise and enjoy the scenery.      

From the beginning, I have always strived to get the most fly time out of my craft,
even at the expense of hi-performance and have done a lot of work and experimentation
in the pursuit of that goal. 

Also, my quads are all pretty quiet. 

Later, iFly   

Smooth easy flying yes but the difference with me is that I like to keep the quad low to the grass. I imagine myself as Anakin in a Pod Racer in Star Wars. I do try and dash between a bit of trees but none of those whipping around by yawing really hard. That makes me dizzy.