Yes, that's actually a fair comment, but you're also making an assumption that people are a member of one of those 4 flying club organisations. You've also just proven what I said in post #28 about how unnecessarily over-complicated the CAA have made the rules and regulations which is why so many people seem to be so confused about what they are and aren't allowed to do. There is no single document stating in black and white what you can and can't do and with or without exceptions and with or without certificates of competency. You have to trawl through a numerous different documents trying to pull together all the information so you can then try to interpret it the way you think it is (which might not be correct as already proven). Some people have got no chance, in which case the CAA can't expect people to keep to all the rules. I guess they have never heard of an easy to follow decision flowchart.

And even then, any exemptions are void if you fly FPV without a spotter or if you fly using more than 25mW on either your radio or VTX transmission bands.

while I agree that it was better before, saying we can’t fly in a park anymore is just wrong.

All the informations are clearly written here:

https://www.fpvuk.org/files/20201215-UKM...sation.pdf

BTW, 25mW were the maximum allowed even before:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/lat...nes-advice

(13-Jan-2021, 07:44 PM)andreab Wrote: while I agree that it was better before, saying we can’t fly in a park anymore is just wrong.

All the informations are clearly written here:

https://www.fpvuk.org/files/20201215-UKM...sation.pdf

BTW, 25mW were the maximum allowed even before.

Yes, just like all the other articles and videos out there which are giving out wrong or part information. What you linked to is a document on a 3rd party website website. Who is to say that people are  a member of one of the 4 flying clubs in the UK. Maybe they are or maybe they aren't, but that's not the point because many people aren't in which case the baseline rules apply to them. As I said, that's the fault of the CAA for not making everything easy to find and understand all in one place. I don't see that exemption information anywhere in any CAA documentation or on the CAA website. You have to go hunting around for it on third party websites.

And yes, FPV without a spotter or flying on more that 25mW was always illegal. I was just pointing out that people who are supposedly following the new CAA rules are likely flying illegally anyway for other reasons, which then means any arguments that relate to abiding by rules and regulations is a complete oxymoron.

(13-Jan-2021, 08:20 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: Yes, just like all the other articles and videos out there which are giving out wrong or part information. What you linked to is a document on a 3rd party website website. Who is to say that people are  a member of one of the 4 flying clubs in the UK. Maybe they are or maybe they aren't, but that's not the point because many people aren't in which case the baseline rules apply to them. As I said, that's the fault of the CAA for not making everything easy to find and understand all in one place. I don't see that exemption information anywhere in any CAA documentation or on the CAA website. You have to go hunting around for it on third party websites.

It’s an exemption for the members, I got an email with the document, links and explanation in December.
Why should you had received that email as non-member? You have to follow the general rules.

Let’s stop this useless diatribe please

Damn Snow and all of our UK FPV family...I'm REALLY sorry to see this happen. I am all for rules that make our flying safe for others and especially safe in protecting full size aircraft from potential mid-air collisions. That is why it's important to have restricted airspace.

But once you get beyond reasonable safety limits, the ONLY other reason to restrict any kind of model aircraft flying are situations that involve national security or prisons. But all the other BS stuff is simply nothing more than a revenue generation pool for governments.

This kind of government mentality is exactly why my political beliefs run hard towards Librertarian. In a nutshell less government is better government. As long as you aren't hurting someone else you are free to pursue your happiness in any way you see fit. Hands off my freedoms!

On a more technical note, and this is probably an ignorant question but I'll ask anyway. Is it even possible for someone to tell if you are exceeding the 25mW limit? I'm sure there is some meter or such that can tell, but in a general sense without looking at my gear themselves, can the average citizen or police officer tell if I am transmitting higher than the 25mW?

I haven't read this entire thread yet (sorry but it got me riled up so fast I had to reply before reading all the responses!) but does the UK also have the 250g limit? I know it's not ideal, but I'm wondering if it possible to fly in parks and such with sub-250g quads. That would at least give people the opportunity to spur-of-the-moment run to their local park for a quick flight or two.

If you are "happy" to comply with CAA new rules, these are even more clear (note that clear is different than fair) to me than the limbo we were in before.

1) get your flayer id and operator id through the DMARES
2) join one of the 4 recognised associations (BMFA, SAA, LMA, FPV UK) that allow you to get an exemptions for flying FPV (and normally a public liability insurance included in the fee)
3) read what you can and what you can't do (the document is from FPV UK, but it's the same for the other associations): https://www.fpvuk.org/files/20201215-UKM...sation.pdf

otherwise, fly as a pirate and do whatever you think is good to do.

Technically there is a way to measure the output power, but I don't think any police officer does have the tools. It can be done later as forensic analysis in a lab.

Under the FPV exemption there is not difference between models under 25Kg.

(13-Jan-2021, 08:46 PM)andreab Wrote: Let’s stop this useless diatribe please

There is no useless "diatribe" in this thread. If people choose to contribute to a discussion thread that I've created then I will use my prerogative to respond accordingly. While it might sound like I'm being overly negative, I have every reason to be because in the same way that there was a complete lack of responses for the Remote ID NPRM in the US, too many people in the UK took the easy/lazy option of just sitting back and accepting what was happening (or leaving it to others to fight) instead of getting off their backsides and trying to do something about it. Because of that mentality and attitude we now have additional rules in place, some of which could have quite possibly been avoided if people had actually bothered to make some effort and voice their opinion, or vote with their feet. I'm not pointing the blame at anyone in particular but those people know full well who they are.

While some of the rules and regulations might seem workable/acceptable now, what some people clearly fail to comprehend is that now they've let the CAA get their foot in the door with a number of rules, some of which are quite frankly are just there for the sake of it with no logical reason or assessment to back them up, this is now just the start of things to come and we are now all on a slippery slope to more and more regulations whether we like it or not. Any exemptions that some people/groups might seemingly have now can easily be withdrawn by the CAA at any time. It's time that some people to wake up and smell the coffee.

It's useless to me because we should spend this time trying to understand how to get the best out of it.

Since you have a good reputation on the forum, you can't say:

SnowLeopardFPV Wrote:So no more flying any of your 2" or 3" quads legally in a local park, empty car park, or in a business park / industrial area (if you previously did that)

or

SnowLeopardFPV Wrote:Yes, as of today, nearly all FPV pilots in the UK will now be outlaws and will be risking a criminal record every time they go out to fly

because it's wrong, this is misinformation. You can easily comply to the rules: if you don't want, that's your problem. 
I personally know only a bunch of fpv pilots, and all of them are flying legally without any issue.

People here have trust in you and they probably don't even double-check themselves thinking they have to get rid of all their stuff.

After this, I'm going to quit this thread.

We're going round in circles and you've taken my quotes out of context, but I don't have the appetite to argue anymore. Some of what you said is also contradictory to previous things you've said/done but I'm not going to bother quoting those or waste any more time counter arguing those points either because I don't want this forum to turn into another one like RCG.

I'm not an authority on this forum and everyone has a brain so they can draw their own conclusions and make up their own minds about what I or others write on here. No-one has to sell all their gear and if they do then more the fool them. They can either support the vision of the CAA and follow all the rules along with any other legal requirements, or they can just continue flying safely without worrying about it and fly like a pirate as you put it. The choice is theirs.

If you go into a my profile you will see find an "Add to Ignore List" function which you might want to make use of so you are then spared from reading any more of my diatribe.

I've had to learn all I can about "drone" regulations and apply it in the USA, being a certified full scale pilot.

The risk of endangering one of my other passions (full scale flying) just isn't worth not following the FAA's guidelines.

If EVERY fpv pilot and builder used the same discernment and sound practices as most (I'm sure) here do we wouldn't be having this concern. When an FPV pilot buzzes a commercial airliner on final approach (that absolutely cannot change their course other than to put full throttle in proceed straight down the runway and go around for another approach) things start to get dicey for the flying public, and the FAA has to do their job and try to stop that.

My drone registration expired in December so I renewed it. I make no apologies for it either.

My burning question: why can I build a completely bazar aircraft that weights 254# and fly it anywhere (other than some class airspace without advance approval) with no training, build supervision, and no certified parts, then why do they have a problem with any of my multirotors regardless of weight?