3inch 1s settups compared to 1,6" or less has a much higher topspeed, optimal spot choice is bigger than for a whoop. i dont use 3inches 1s for tight spaces like small rooms indoors.

the open rotor tinys handles nice and performs better, they are a bit less forgiving from their performance - more difficult. as beginner or avarage pilot, a guarded/ducted quad provides more flighttime and better flights in the end. while open prop is better overall, i suggest ducted or guarded for flying inhouse; under the bed, under the chaire and around the lamp... guards and ducts will brake but on open prop tinys the bell bends, bearings brakes, arms... they are less durable.

… 3 not 4 bolt motors.. another Emax “lock”…I totally forgot that was the reason I didnt use the phantom frame when I did the TH freestyle fc upgrade to 16x16..
When I did the “tinyhawk fc alternative” thread, I found Beta fpv makes a whoop frame with 3 AND 4 bolt pattern. It’s a great alternative to using a adapter plate in the original TH frame.. it needs to be flipped and the camera mount is odd.. but it is a good alternative to the TH frame. The motors are “recessed” deeper so the prop “shell” doesn’t impact the ground.. the props will “turtle” but flipping the motors, having the props “backwards” isn’t the greatest.. it performs better with the props facing down…

Hi Rosssiiii,

I have went back through this thread. You mention having a quad to fly in a park in the city.
Is that correct?  Are there many people at the park?  Are you more concerned with being noisy
and obnoxious...or... are you more concerned about hitting something?

I would only consider a whooped quad if you are concerned about damaging something;
the prop guards do lessen any damage to what ever you hit and to the quad itself.

A small, open prop, quad is not really threatening since it is small and pretty quiet when
compared to a powerhouse 5 inch quad. So, right off the bat, smaller is less noticeable,
less obnoxious, and less likely to cause a fuss. Let's consider that a 2.5 or 3 inch quad
falls into this category. Now, put a set of those turbine props on this small quad and you
have something that makes even less noise and is less disturbing. 

I generally fly over 100 meters high so you can't hear and can hardly see my quads 
once airborne, especially my 2.5 inch quads. No one even knows that there is a quad
in the air. No fuss, No bother, No hassles. However, I still don't fly if there is too many
people; I think that is just inviting trouble. Eventually, someone will not like it and 
hassle you. 

I would consider an open prop quad 3 inches or less for outside, park flying.

(18-Oct-2021, 02:43 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii,

I have went back through this thread. You mention having a quad to fly in a park in the city.
Is that correct?  Are there many people at the park?  Are you more concerned with being noisy
and obnoxious...or... are you more concerned about hitting something?

I would only consider a whooped quad if you are concerned about damaging something;
the prop guards do lessen any damage to what ever you hit and to the quad itself.

A small, open prop, quad is not really threatening since it is small and pretty quiet when
compared to a powerhouse 5 inch quad. So, right off the bat, smaller is less noticeable,
less obnoxious, and less likely to cause a fuss. Let's consider that a 2.5 or 3 inch quad
falls into this category. Now, put a set of those turbine props on this small quad and you
have something that makes even less noise and is less disturbing. 

I generally fly over 100 meters high so you can't hear and can hardly see my quads 
once airborne, especially my 2.5 inch quads. No one even knows that there is a quad
in the air. No fuss, No bother, No hassles. However, I still don't fly if there is too many
people; I think that is just inviting trouble. Eventually, someone will not like it and 
hassle you. 

I would consider an open prop quad 3 inches or less for outside, park flying.

Hello

tiny whoops are very intriguing, but now i really don't know what to do ... i thought it was legal to fly one of these drones even in city parks where it is red zone even for drones under 250g.

the tiny whoop is not considered a toy anyway.

Personally if i shoud fly it at home i would take a tiny whoop considering that I don't have much experience in flying at home and with an uncovered propeller drone, even if small I would still end up doing damages.

yes for park would be good a 3inches...but in rome i can't fly even with that 

mhh maybe better consider a tiny whoop because i can't fly outside anyway...so just at home

but a single tiny whoop how much it cost ?
they are expensive to be so small, and there is not the low price and high price Xd

that to me was looking as the best:
https://www.banggood.com/Emax-Tinyhawk-I...mds=search

because is cheaper and give also radio and visor...i don't have a radio for non long range...

yes i have already a visor, ev800d

if i assemble it i could save something ? i saw that with these drones, esc and FC are the same component.

self assemblingbis general more expensive.

a longrange capable transmitter is able for short range too, you dont need another transmitter.

a moblite is 90$ too, i would choose it befor the tinyhawk combo; you have no use for that low budget goghle and transmiter in my eyes

Hi Rosssiiii,

Yeah... a drone is a drone is a drone...period. In a NO FLY zone the size doesn't matter; 
if it flies it is illegal.

The ad is a bit misleading.
Take another look at the link you provided...
$ 99.99 USD is for the BNF model which is the quad ONLY, 
NO transmitter and NO goggles. You only get the transmitter and goggles with the RTF option 
which costs $ 170.99 USD.

Generally, building a clone of a BNF quad costs more than just buying it. Although I have not yet 
done a component cost breakdown for the quad in the link, I would bet that it would cost more
than the listed $ 99.99 USD. 

Motors:  about $ 40 for a set of 4 
Frame:   about $ 18
FC:        about $ 30 for cheapest you can find, about $ 70 for an original
             about $ 15 for a receiver unless you get one integrated with FC, then FC will  be more.
Camera: about $ 18 about as cheap as you can
Misc:               ????   


Plus, you have to assemble it. Why not just go ahead and buy the BNF that is already assembled ??

=================

I forgot, what transmitter are your using?   

The quad listed is using the FrSky D8 protocol.

I agree a Moblite6 or 7 would be perfect for a indoor (can also be flown outside) whoop. Super light so it won't break anything, as well as long flight times. 
Here's a couple of vids showing both inside and outside flying.

These days, there are a lot of good "tiny whoops" on the market.

The Moblites are very popular and seem to get good reviews and
would likely be a good alternate.

Then you always have that bunch of Happymodel whoops...
Mobula6, Mobula7, etc. Happymodel is not know for stellar
quality, but that might not be a deterrent. They sure sell a lot
of them.

(19-Oct-2021, 07:45 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: These days, there are a lot of good "tiny whoops" on the market.

The Moblites are very popular and seem to get good reviews and
would likely be a good alternate.

Then you always have that bunch of Happymodel whoops...
Mobula6, Mobula7, etc. Happymodel is not know for stellar
quality, but that might not be a deterrent. They sure sell a lot
of them.

Hello

with winter but not only for that i need to buy an indoor drone to train to fly and control better, i have rewatched all models from that theared here and i find that as tiny whoops we talked about these models:  

happymodel mobula7;      ---->     1-2s      25mw    € 110,00
Tinyhawk freestyle II ;     ----->    1-2s       200mw  €130,00
Happymodel Moblite7 ;     ---->     1s          200mw   96€
happymodel  Mobula 6 ;     --->     1s          25mw     €115

1) are the information i have considered correct  ?

2) as performance what difference there is between a 1s or 2s ?

3)  are there much modern models ?

is alredy on the marked a model with elrs ? because i would like to use with a future radio i will buy (maybe the radiomaster zorro)

(30-Dec-2021, 01:41 PM)Rosssiiii Wrote: Hello

with winter but not only for that i need to buy an indoor drone to train to fly and control better, i have rewatched all models from that theared here and i find that as tiny whoops we talked about these models:  

happymodel mobula7;      ---->     1-2s      25mw    € 110,00
Tinyhawk freestyle II ;     ----->    1-2s       200mw  €130,00    <-- This is NOT a whoop. I wouldn't recommend for indoors.
Happymodel Moblite7 ;     ---->     1s          200mw   96€
happymodel  Mobula 6 ;     --->     1s          25mw     €115

1) are the information i have considered correct  ?

2) as performance what difference there is between a 1s or 2s ?   <-- Quite a bit. Like 2S is about twice as fast.

3)  are there much modern models ?

is alredy on the marked a model with elrs ? because i would like to use with a future radio i will buy (maybe the radiomaster zorro)

Hi Rosssiiii,

I have an EMAX TinyHawk (original, but the 2 is just like it) and would not recommend it for indoor flying. Although small at 2.5", it is an open prop quad which I do not recommend inside the house. 

As for 1S vs 2S, on the same quad, there is quite a bit of difference. On 1S the quad will be much slower. On 2S it will be about twice as fast.

I own a Betafpv Meteor 65S. Even though it is only 1S, it is quite fast. So much so that I had to limit the throttle to about 65 percent to be able to fly it indoors. In fact, I can't even imagine that thing on 2S. Banggood has the BetaFPV Meteor65 Pro with ELRS for $ 119.99 USD.

Regarding the transmitter and RC protocol. Do you intend to go with ELRS? Do you intend to switch the Wizard's receiver to ELRS?

I havnt read the full thread, but don’t forget about ur rx protocol… most of these whoops come on Frsky d8. If u have updated ur controller… you may have binding issues…

(30-Dec-2021, 02:41 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Rosssiiii,

I have an EMAX TinyHawk (original, but the 2 is just like it) and would not recommend it for indoor flying. Although small at 2.5", it is an open prop quad which I do not recommend inside the house. 

As for 1S vs 2S, on the same quad, there is quite a bit of difference. On 1S the quad will be much slower. On 2S it will be about twice as fast.

I own a Betafpv Meteor 65S. Even though it is only 1S, it is quite fast. So much so that I had to limit the throttle to about 65 percent to be able to fly it indoors. In fact, I can't even imagine that thing on 2S. Banggood has the BetaFPV Meteor65 Pro with ELRS for $ 119.99 USD.

Regarding the transmitter and RC protocol. Do you intend to go with ELRS? Do you intend to switch the Wizard's receiver to ELRS?

Hello


Oh i did confusion between "EMAX TinyHawk" and the "EMAX TinyHawk freestyle" ... yes i want the drone with props cover.

1) For me would be perfetct have a 1s drone to use indoor and maybe to use even outside in good weather conditions with a 2s;

2) but all these tiny whoops can be used with 1s and 2s depending on what you want?

because i think that a designed 2s drone used with a 1s battery will be slower then a drone designed to be used only with 1s battery.

3) so you have the Betafpv Meteor 65S ( this : https://www.banggood.com/BETAFPV-Beta65S...y4QAvD_BwE ) and not the BetaFPV Metero65 Pro ? what is the difference ? they are both 1s;

Yes in the future i'm thinking to buy a radio and could be the Radiomaster zorro (i'm waiting some review) with the internal elrs module 2.4 ghz to can use even on some other quads as the wizard.

The BetaFPV Metero65 Pro should be that one right ? 


the issue of beta fpv drone is that they can only use lipo with proprietary connector.

4) how much cost 1s battery or 2s ?

5) with 1s battery i think you can fly around 1m.30 ?

(30-Dec-2021, 03:38 PM)Rob Axel Wrote: I havnt read the full thread, but don’t forget about ur rx protocol… most of these whoops come on Frsky d8.   If u have updated ur controller… you may have binding issues…

i don't have any other quads at moment with these 2.4 protocols.

HI Rob, According to Banggood's product page {refer to link in Post #25}, this Meteor 65 Pro comes with ELRS.

Hi Rosssiiii,

From what I have read, the EMAX TinyHawk {the whooped one} is a pretty good product, but I have NO personal experience with it nor what configurations are offered.

Yes, the BetaFPV 65 Pro has the proprietary connector for BetaFPV's 1S batteries. For me, this was not an issue. I just bought some of those batteries. The connector actually offers higher current draw than the PH 2.0. Yeah, I got way more than 2 minutes fly time. {I don't remember how much}. I have also used a PH 2.0 to BetaFPV adapter cable. Another approach is changing the connector on standard batteries to the BetaFPV connector. Yeah, I bought a bunch of the connectors. I also use them for other quad components. I will say that the quad performs better on the BetaFPV batteries than with an adapter. The PH 2.0 just doesn't allow as good of current flow. For me the connector was a "non-issue". 

You know, I did a search on Banggood's website and the BetaFPV 65 Pro was the only whoop that I could find with ELRS built in. Now, maybe I missed something since I don't use Banggood, I am not familiar with their search engine. Yeah, the results seem pretty vague to me. Fortunately, I live in the USA and have plenty more options than Banggood. 

How long you can fly on a 1S battery depends on 1) the motors and props of the quad, 2) the battery mAh {higher = more fly time} and 3) how you fly {hard ACRO or easy cruising}. I have actually gotten almost 10 minutes with a tiny whoop running a 1S 650 mAh battery {just very easy cruising with light throttle}. Time is relative. On average, I generally get 4 to 6 minutes of fly time with a tiny whoop running a 1S battery. Your mileage may vary.

1S batteries cost between $ 3 USD and $ 6 USD depending on the brand, how many are in the packaging, the "deals", the size.
2S batteries cost between $ 7 USD and $ 9 USD, again, depending on the brand, packaging, the "deal", the size, etc.

I always have a bunch of 1S batteries lying around for my tiny whoops. I have also made parallel adapters so that I can use 2 1S batteries cabled together in parallel fashion {which is effectively 2S}. In fact, I did this for a long time before I decided to just buy some 2S batteries as well. Guess what, I couldn't tell much difference in fly time between a true 2S and my 2 1S setup. 

I guess it all depends on what you want. Personally, I like the BetaFPV meteor 65S that I have. It does what I need it to do {that is easy flying indoors}. Some have questioned BetaFPV's quality of late, but I think the brand is better than HappyModel {just my personal opinion}.

English is my first and only language, so I didn't get much from the video. Oh Well.

betafpv is way worse than happymodel, i had only bad experiences with the low amount of betafpv gear in my career - while i wasnt disappointed once on the much happymodel products, 4year old boards still in use...

i would suggest stay away from any betafpv gear, that happymodel onboard receiver sounds like a potential rx issue xD
the happymodel elrs receiver is so small and performs so decent, there isnt a need for onboard reciever, onboard has general downsides in comparison. why not an external receiver? you can use it on an other quad in the future while a broken all in one board will be usless - likely on a betafpv product

nick burns makes some good vids, his kind of flying shows characteristic differences between different kind of whoops, 1s or 2s, big or small lipos... i didnt watch it, but there is a review on the betafpv board with onboard elrs
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCBGpbEe0G9EchyGYCRRd4hg

(31-Dec-2021, 01:32 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: HI Rob, According to Banggood's product page {refer to link in Post #25}, this Meteor 65 Pro comes with ELRS.

Hi Rosssiiii,

From what I have read, the EMAX TinyHawk {the whooped one} is a pretty good product, but I have NO personal experience with it nor what configurations are offered.

Yes, the BetaFPV 65 Pro has the proprietary connector for BetaFPV's 1S batteries. For me, this was not an issue. I just bought some of those batteries. The connector actually offers higher current draw than the PH 2.0. Yeah, I got way more than 2 minutes fly time. {I don't remember how much}. I have also used a PH 2.0 to BetaFPV adapter cable. Another approach is changing the connector on standard batteries to the BetaFPV connector. Yeah, I bought a bunch of the connectors. I also use them for other quad components. I will say that the quad performs better on the BetaFPV batteries than with an adapter. The PH 2.0 just doesn't allow as good of current flow. For me the connector was a "non-issue". 

You know, I did a search on Banggood's website and the BetaFPV 65 Pro was the only whoop that I could find with ELRS built in. Now, maybe I missed something since I don't use Banggood, I am not familiar with their search engine. Yeah, the results seem pretty vague to me. Fortunately, I live in the USA and have plenty more options than Banggood. 

How long you can fly on a 1S battery depends on 1) the motors and props of the quad, 2) the battery mAh {higher = more fly time} and 3) how you fly {hard ACRO or easy cruising}. I have actually gotten almost 10 minutes with a tiny whoop running a 1S 650 mAh battery {just very easy cruising with light throttle}. Time is relative. On average, I generally get 4 to 6 minutes of fly time with a tiny whoop running a 1S battery. Your mileage may vary.

1S batteries cost between $ 3 USD and $ 6 USD depending on the brand, how many are in the packaging, the "deals", the size.
2S batteries cost between $ 7 USD and $ 9 USD, again, depending on the brand, packaging, the "deal", the size, etc.

I always have a bunch of 1S batteries lying around for my tiny whoops. I have also made parallel adapters so that I can use 2 1S batteries cabled together in parallel fashion {which is effectively 2S}. In fact, I did this for a long time before I decided to just buy some 2S batteries as well. Guess what, I couldn't tell much difference in fly time between a true 2S and my 2 1S setup. 

I guess it all depends on what you want. Personally, I like the BetaFPV meteor 65S that I have. It does what I need it to do {that is easy flying indoors}. Some have questioned BetaFPV's quality of late, but I think the brand is better than HappyModel {just my personal opinion}.

English is my first and only language, so I didn't get much from the video. Oh Well.

(31-Dec-2021, 08:43 AM)hugnosed_bat Wrote: betafpv is way worse than happymodel, i had only bad experiences with the low amount of betafpv gear in my career - while i wasnt disappointed once on the much happymodel products, 4year old boards still in use...

i would suggest stay away from any betafpv gear, that happymodel onboard receiver sounds like a potential rx issue xD
the happymodel elrs receiver is so small and performs so decent, there isnt a need for onboard reciever, onboard has general downsides in comparison. why not an external receiver? you can use it on an other quad in the future while a broken all in one board will be usless - likely on a betafpv product

nick burns makes some good vids, his kind of flying shows characteristic differences between different kind of whoops, 1s or 2s, big or small lipos... i didnt watch it, but there is a review on the betafpv board with onboard elrs
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCBGpbEe0G9EchyGYCRRd4hg

Oh cool different opinions about Betafpv.

so far i have i have find these two models with elrs inside:
BETAFPV METEOR65 pro https://it.banggood.com/BetaFPV-Metero65...F8QAvD_BwE

19000kv; 350mw vtx; 1s

happymodel Mobula 6 https://it.banggood.com/Happymodel-Mobul...YgQAvD_BwE

26000kv; 200mw vtx; 1s

1) they are very similiar as price, the difference is that the betafpv model have a 350mw vtx against the 200mw vtx on the mobula6, inside the house it could do a bit of difference when you try to explore the house. even with these drones, the vtx work at 5.8ghz ?

2) lower kv mean less use of battery i think but also less pure speed, i don't know maybe better to start with a lower kv engine, like 19000 where is easier i think manage the throttle.... advice to start with a tiny whoop ? anyway i'm alredy able to fly in acro mode.

or i could take a 25-26000kv engine and limit the throttle ?

3) @hugnosed_bat but all these quads have an internal rx, i could use an external rx if they where sold without rx but considering they alredy have.

is there some tiny whoops without internal rx ?

4) but if the PH 2.0 connector is not that good, why happymodels and others continue to use it ?


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I like a bit more the mobula 6 style, but betafpv have more power on the vtx and lower kv engine, 19000 should be better to fly in the house with tiny whoop (or 26000kv limited )
and betafpv have better bt 2.0 connector.