(15-Jul-2023, 08:15 PM)Suros Wrote: I'm curious. Did they do something serious?

I try really hard to not get political on this forum- it’s my happy place. But… since I consider human rights to be fundamental, not political:

The owner of VAS made some homophobic and transphobic statements a while back. When he was called out on it, he doubled down.

He’s fully within his rights to hold whatever viewpoints and beliefs he has, and to speak them as he sees fit.
The loudest voice I have is where I choose to spend my money- and I’m free to speak with it as I see fit. I choose not to financially enrich or support someone who verbally attacks my family and loved ones.

I fully understand that others feel differently, and can spend their money as and where they see fit- which is why I had no problem posting a link to VAS in my above post.

(15-Jul-2023, 08:37 PM)Lemonyleprosy Wrote: I choose not to financially enrich or support someone who verbally attacks my family and loved ones.

Ouch, that does sound pretty serious and personal. Folks need to stop attacking each other... way to cool a thing to do these days. Tolerance is a virtue.

Ah, thanks for elaborating.

(15-Jul-2023, 08:37 PM)Lemonyleprosy Wrote: The owner of VAS made some homophobic and transphobic statements a while back. When he was called out on it, he doubled down.

It's fine to have personal views, but if you choose to make those public as a business owner, or use the business platform to project your opinions, you'll reap what you sow. I totally respect your decision.

Now this... I couldn't agree more FPVme! IMHO there are just too many businesses choosing to use their platform for politics. It's just sad.

Not to change the subject, but it is interesting the FAA feedback being given to xjet wrt spoofing etc. Regardless where you stand on this, the tools on github are rapidly improving these days and I expect will be quite capable come September. There for sure will be outlaws partaking in mayhem... I'm curious to see how this all plays out.

Along these lines, having played with the various spoofing software I got to thinking... one of the big drawbacks for us is price and weight of outfitting rigs with RID. I don't know the detailed specs/laws, but was wondering if these spoofers can broadcast fake RID info, couldn't they be used to transmit legit legal data instead? Again not sure if it would be within the law, but it would be nice if folks who want to comply could just wire an esp01f to the FC, load special firmware, jump onto the esp wifi AP, browse config website with their phone, enter their hardcoded legit RID info, and call it a day.

(17-Jul-2023, 05:05 PM)truglodite Wrote: Now this... I couldn't agree more FPVme! IMHO there are just too many businesses choosing to use their platform for politics. It's just sad.

Not to change the subject, but it is interesting the FAA feedback being given to xjet wrt spoofing etc. Regardless where you stand on this, the tools on github are rapidly improving these days and I expect will be quite capable come September. There for sure will be outlaws partaking in mayhem... I'm curious to see how this all plays out.

Along these lines, having played with the various spoofing software I got to thinking... one of the big drawbacks for us is price and weight of outfitting rigs with RID. I don't know the detailed specs/laws, but was wondering if these spoofers can broadcast fake RID info, couldn't they be used to transmit legit legal data instead? Again not sure if it would be within the law, but it would be nice if folks who want to comply could just wire an esp01f to the FC, load special firmware, jump onto the esp wifi AP, browse config website with their phone, enter their hardcoded legit RID info, and call it a day.

That's something that's frequently asked. One of the FAA's requirements was that it must be approved hardware. This shoots down any possibility of DIY solutions that save 90% of the cost and cut the need for redundant hardware.

(13-Jul-2023, 11:37 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: Sean (aka Geeksvana) will be interviewing Kevin Morris from the FAA tomorrow and discussing Remote ID including spoofing of RID signals, so it will be interesting to hear what the FAA's response is to that in particular and what their take is on the legalities of enforcement of such practices should people start doing that.

The stream will be tomorrow (14th July 2023) at 10pm UK time (BST). For the US it's at 5pm EDT; 4pm CDT; 3pm MDT; 2pm PDT.



https://youtu.be/w2Lle7zl9JQ?t=0

I just watched this on catchup. The whole interview just goes to prove how clueless the FAA are, as per usual. When the topic of spoofing Remote ID signals was put to Kevin he responded by suggesting that "broadcasting fake data on illegal unlicenced frequencies" would be an FCC violation. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Remote ID signals are broadcast over Bluetooth on the 2.4GHz and/or 5.8GHz unlicensed ISM frequency bands. It seems to me that dumb and dumber are running the FAA.

No, I believe you’re correct. There are some power related restrictions, but it’s certainly not, “illegal unlicensed frequencies”.

We’ve got a whole different breed of Karens ‘round these parts.

Here’s a blurb from our local police blotter (wasn’t me- I live in unincorporated county, not city, and there’s certainly no laws about discharging guns out here). Some redactions by me:

Drones

• At 9:45 a.m. on July 15, a citizen in the ** block of ** Street called to “complain about drones flying around (a) specific property and how they would like to shoot them down,” according to the ** Police Department. The citizen was “informed to research the civil laws where drones can and cannot fly. They were also advised that discharging a firearm in city limits is a crime in some cases,” according to the department.
—-

I’ll be sticking with sub250g. Ain’t no way I’m broadcasting my pilot location- it could end up being a health and safety issue for me. Although, given that I only fly on my own property, it’s not like it’s hard to find me- but you’ll have to trespass on my land.

For other folks that fly in this county and don’t do it on their own land, I really don’t want them broadcasting their pilot location either. I’d fear for their safety.

Well... if you wanna fly over 250g, even 5+"ers you name it, and your work is... remote:



...then, no worries just fly when you're done for the day. Would be nice... (Leave it to Beaver never knew how good he had it )

Yes. What I've been saying.
Thing is, you don't really have to get that "Remote".
Just Stay Away From People. Rural, if possible.
Don't bother Karen and she won't bother you.
Simple concept.

Problem with Karen with me is that they go so far out of their way to be "offended". My better half was with me one day flying at nice park that I used to fly alot at. Goggles on, kwad was like 150 yds away when I hear her yabbering away nervously with my wife about why we needed to pack up our stuff and go away! Land the kwad, ask her where she heard me flying from... she points in the direction maybe 75 yds away, saying she heard it from her back yard and came over to tell us to stop. I asked if her if she mowed her yard?... puzzled at my question, I repeated: do you mow your yard? Yes she replied. Lady, your lawn mower make a whole lot more noise than my toy here, has anyone ever came over to your house to ask you to stop mowing because of the noise? She storms off, I bid her good riddance and have never returned to that nice little park, just not worth it to me...

I never fly over people, try to get along and all but... it's getting to the point sadly where I ask myself if it's still worth it coz it sure has changed and not for the good mostly.

Ok. I get your point and hers. Here is the thing, I used to fly at parks and Karens never bothered
me because I fly quads that are small, quiet, and are flown at high altitude. Karen can't hear my
craft and mostly can't hardly see them. On the other hand, I have been where someone was flying 
a 5-inch freestyle and you could hear that thing blocks away. Plus, the sound was very, very, loud
and obnoxious; a harsh shrieking noise (not like a lawn mower). Sort of made you want to run for 
cover. All noise is not equal. Now, I don't know what you were flying, but if it was a 5-inch buzz
saw...well. The other thing is residences that are on the edge of the park might be close enough
that they thought they were being surveilled. Yes, it might have been a legit flight, however, it might 
also have really bothered that Karen. I know, petty, right. Well, maybe it was. Still, if we are getting 
bothered a lot by Karens, them maybe we need to reconsider what we are doing or how we are doing 
it whether it is legit or not. 

My only "encounters" at parks were with park personnel and a deputy sheriff in the drone division
that was connected to the FAA. Now, I don't consider either of these a "Karen". Now, I was flying legit.
Good thing because I was sort of "grilled" a bit by the deputy sheriff. Thing is, my knowledge of the 
FAA regulations allowed me to address anything that he brought up. So, he eventually stopped and
left. Even though he was polite and he finally left, I still didn't feel very comfortable. Consequently, 
I made a personal decision to stop flying at the local parks and to pick rural locations where there 
are basically no people. 

Now, going back to your Karen incident; since the flight appears to have been within Visual Line of
Sight (as it should be), she was able to locate you without Remote ID. As long as our flights are 
within Visual Line of Sight, as they should be, then Karen will find us anyway regardless of whether
or not Remote ID is broadcasting. Where Remote ID really comes into play is for flights that are
way beyond Visual Line of Sight (violating the FAA regulations) and far enough away from the pilot
that Karen can't find him by just walking around. 

By the way, have you ever had anyone come up and try to steal your gear? I have not. From my
experience, people (crooks) just don't come up and try to steal stuff unless you are in a very shady
part of town. In that case, they will try to steal the clothes off your back. Better be packing heat and
I do when I go to places that might be questionable whether or not I will be flying a drone. Well,
actually, I would never fly a drone in those situations. I also pack heat if I am going to a rural area
that I am not familiar with; just to be safe. I have also known others who would go way into an 
isolated area to fly and they ALWAYS carried heat because they viewed the area as questionable
whether you were flying or not. 

… I was recently in a downtown part of a city.. and just wanted to burn some packs.. 1s tiny whoop.. but the thought of dropping my goggles in a strange area, sketchy or not.. gave me the feeling of putting a target on my back.. even though the area was “safe”, I still felt very vulnerable..
Maybe a little “camouflage”… fly from inside .. oh WAIT!!! I just had a brainstorm..

Yeah, looks like the only logical thing will be to fly while wearing a ghillie suit.
Catch me now copper!