I keep scaring myself pushing the limits of my current setup so figure it is time to get better antenna's to see if that helps me. I'm having enough trouble not hearing or more to the point the delayed noise I get without having to worry about video feed going away. 

This actually happen on the weekend. Pretty much lost all video signal as I dipped down too low. Luckily before I lost it completely I leveled out then had the sense to go full throttle to get height. Scared the crap out of me which was pretty cool. I love that fear .

I am currently running matching Foxeer Pogoda pro's RHCP and whatever the patch that comes with the Eachine EV800D

One of the issues I have is the SMA connector is on the top of the goggles so those little patches without the coax cable coming off the wont fit unless I fly directly above

What should I get to replace what I have, patch and omni?

Not interested in budget just want the best that will fit onto my EV800D's. Also not interested in going down the ground station path either as I don't fly long range. I just want to able to go 2 - 3 km's direct line of site.

This image shows about where I am getting to.

   

Good job keeping your wits about you when you lost video and being able to recover from it. 

I have the EV800D and they are an awesome goggle.  But the "stinger pad" patch antenna that comes with it is pretty poor.  

I know you said you don't need to do long range, but getting antennas that will do long range is a good plan if you're doing mid range, because you don't know when you may change your mind and want to do long range.  If that happens you would need to buy new antennas again perhaps.

Also, the antennas on the goggles is just part of the picture.  You also need a good antenna on the quad.  And if you're doing mid and long range you want an antenna with a longer than standard feedline, that way the quad CF and battery, etc won't block or partially block your signal.  You don't say what you have on the quad, just be sure to run a quality antenna on the quad as well.

Also, what are you running for a VTX?  And what power?  That also plays into the overall performance of the FPV system.

I have attached a couple pics of my EV800Ds and the antennas I have .  I'm very happy with the performance of my system.  The omni is a VAS Ion V2, which is a great omni with good range and good multipath rejection.  The patch antenna is a VAS Pepperbox.  It is a very good directional antenna, but if I was to buy one today I would get the Pepperbox Extreme.  Its performance is a tad better.  On the quad I run 800mw-1w of power on my VTX and I have a VAS Ion V2 on the quad for an antenna.  TrueRC is another brand that makes good antennas for mid and long range, both patch and omni.  

One thing to remember a good system will work in close and far away.  My system works in my backyard, and I have been out just over 8 miles with this system.  But also, no antenna can overcome physics.  You will still be able to get too low when you're further out and have issues.  Also, if you drop behind a mountain, you will lose signal, I've been there and had a oh   experience like you did.

Something else I noticed with the EV800Ds, and that is the onboard battery is pretty wimpy.  It goes flat pretty fast.  But what I also noticed is when the battery was about half depleted the performance of the goggle out any range at all got noticeably poorer.  So I removed the stock battery and soldered in a extension cord from the old battery lead in wires and now I have an external battery.  The external battery is a 2s 3300mah battery and no more issues.  I can fly for many hours and no performance problems.  The system is supposed to be able to handle 3s, but I have never tried that given that 2s works fine as long as there is sufficient capacity. 

You said that you can't use a patch antenna unless it has a cable.  You can get short extension cables, and you can get connectors, in various angles, i.e. 30*, 45*, 90* etc.  But at every connection point there is some loss of signal.  Just something to think about.

Good luck and let us know what you decide on for changes and how they work for you. 

I also have the EV800D and the stock antennas were not good at all. Changed to Menace RC pagoda and patch, the patch is mounted with a 45 degree adapter and it works great! Huge improvement. I also have a 90 degree adapter but my experience is that you tend to tilt your head down while flying so 45 degree works best for me.

@Krohsis, I haven´t thought about that but now that you mention the drop in performance with a depleted battery I might have the same experience. After flying a couple of packs the reception actually gets worse.. Good tip!

(26-Aug-2019, 02:03 PM)Andreas-sa Wrote: I also have the EV800D and the stock antennas were not good at all. Changed to Menace RC pagoda and patch, the patch is mounted with a 45 degree adapter and it works great! Huge improvement. I also have a 90 degree adapter but my experience is that you tend to tilt your head down while flying so 45 degree works best for me.

@Krohsis, I haven´t thought about that but now that you mention the drop in performance with a depleted battery I might have the same experience. After flying a couple of packs the reception actually gets worse.. Good tip!

I would like to try the goggles with 3s.  I'm sure the problem is with voltage drop.  Once voltage gets around 7 volts things get wonky.  Having more mah capacity prolongs the drop to 7 volts.  But if you start with 3s, the voltage drop issue goes away.  I just don't know if the circuitry can handle the extra voltage long term.  I would hate to lose reliability.

Thanks everyone for the input this is exactly what I am looking for.

My current thing I am spending time on is learning everything about antenna's so this is my antenna post

(26-Aug-2019, 12:23 PM)Krohsis Wrote: Also, what are you running for a VTX?  And what power?  That also plays into the overall performance of the FPV system.

I'm running the TBS Unify Pro 32 HV at 800mw which according to everything I read is the bee's knees for 5.8ghz

Very interesting re voltage dropping below 7v. I actually have 2 x EV800D's as I love being able to have my grandkids come flying with me. Once the video feed is as good as I can get it I will be modifying one of them to suite glasses. While I'm at it i'll do the battery upgrade

Glad you mentioned the True RC antenna's as I can get them in 3 days ready for the weekend and have been looking at them so put up this post to make sure. The VAs Ion 2's and Menance aren't in stock but I have put myself on the notify list and will give them a go if the True RC ones aren't making it.

In the mean time i've ordered these which will hopefully do the job.

2 x 

https://www.phaserfpv.com.au/collections...1623474253

Patch

https://www.phaserfpv.com.au/collections...4251275341

The patch looks very promising with 180 degree perfect dome thing good for 2-3k's could end up taking the place of the omni if it is not making the distance and then i'd get something like the sniper for distance.

https://www.phaserfpv.com.au/collections...ngeantenna

If interested this is my current mission. 

I will be getting the GPS going and RTH functioning before doing the final run along the edge of the golf course to the hill as I have found I feel "really" scared/excited/that sick gut feeling which in my world is what it's all about but in saying that I also like to give myself all possibilities for success. Plus I hate searching so a GPS installed on my quad and a proper handheld GPS is next.

   

A small update.

The antenna's arrived and today I gave it a run. Much much better so thanks for your inputs . Didn't go much further than I have previously as no GPS and it is scary but zero breakups.

I also went down low and did a bit of testing in washouts and under a concrete bridge and even under the bridge I didn't loose complete reception. It was really good as my son was next to me on identical goggles but had the old antenna's and he completely lost signal under the bridge. Mine went b/w with a fair amount of lines but I could still see.

So there you go. Antenna's make a big difference

(26-Aug-2019, 12:23 PM)Krohsis Wrote: Good job keeping your wits about you when you lost video and being able to recover from it. 

I have the EV800D and they are an awesome goggle.  But the "stinger pad" patch antenna that comes with it is pretty poor.  

I know you said you don't need to do long range, but getting antennas that will do long range is a good plan if you're doing mid range, because you don't know when you may change your mind and want to do long range.  If that happens you would need to buy new antennas again perhaps.

Also, the antennas on the goggles is just part of the picture.  You also need a good antenna on the quad.  And if you're doing mid and long range you want an antenna with a longer than standard feedline, that way the quad CF and battery, etc won't block or partially block your signal.  You don't say what you have on the quad, just be sure to run a quality antenna on the quad as well.

Also, what are you running for a VTX?  And what power?  That also plays into the overall performance of the FPV system.

I have attached a couple pics of my EV800Ds and the antennas I have .  I'm very happy with the performance of my system.  The omni is a VAS Ion V2, which is a great omni with good range and good multipath rejection.  The patch antenna is a VAS Pepperbox.  It is a very good directional antenna, but if I was to buy one today I would get the Pepperbox Extreme.  Its performance is a tad better.  On the quad I run 800mw-1w of power on my VTX and I have a VAS Ion V2 on the quad for an antenna.  TrueRC is another brand that makes good antennas for mid and long range, both patch and omni.  

One thing to remember a good system will work in close and far away.  My system works in my backyard, and I have been out just over 8 miles with this system.  But also, no antenna can overcome physics.  You will still be able to get too low when you're further out and have issues.  Also, if you drop behind a mountain, you will lose signal, I've been there and had a oh   experience like you did.

Something else I noticed with the EV800Ds, and that is the onboard battery is pretty wimpy.  It goes flat pretty fast.  But what I also noticed is when the battery was about half depleted the performance of the goggle out any range at all got noticeably poorer.  So I removed the stock battery and soldered in a extension cord from the old battery lead in wires and now I have an external battery.  The external battery is a 2s 3300mah battery and no more issues.  I can fly for many hours and no performance problems.  The system is supposed to be able to handle 3s, but I have never tried that given that 2s works fine as long as there is sufficient capacity. 

You said that you can't use a patch antenna unless it has a cable.  You can get short extension cables, and you can get connectors, in various angles, i.e. 30*, 45*, 90* etc.  But at every connection point there is some loss of signal.  Just something to think about.

Good luck and let us know what you decide on for changes and how they work for you. 

Hey! Awesome suggestion... I'll follow your recomendation too. Are the antennas these ones: 

1. https://www.getfpv.com/vas-pepperbox-xtr...-rhcp.html
2. https://www.getfpv.com/vas-ion-v2-5-8ghz...-rhcp.html

Another question: how do you connect the Pepperbox xtreme to the Goggles connector? Did you have to buy a specific cable for that or the antenna already comes with it?

Sorry for my broken English!
Thanks a lot for your help from Brazil! 
Natan

(20-Jan-2020, 08:42 AM)natanrufino Wrote: Hey! Awesome suggestion... I'll follow your recomendation too. Are the antennas these ones: 

1. https://www.getfpv.com/vas-pepperbox-xtr...-rhcp.html
2. https://www.getfpv.com/vas-ion-v2-5-8ghz...-rhcp.html

Another question: how do you connect the Pepperbox xtreme to the Goggles connector? Did you have to buy a specific cable for that or the antenna already comes with it?

Sorry for my broken English!
Thanks a lot for your help from Brazil! 
Natan

Yes, Those are the antennas.  And yes the Pepperbox Xtreme comes with the connecting cable.

I also have the Pepperbox, (not the Xtreme), and I don't see enough difference to warrant spending the extra money.  I would save some money and get the standard Pepperbox.

https://www.getfpv.com/ibcrazy-5-8-ghz-1...tenna.html

(20-Jan-2020, 02:03 PM)Krohsis Wrote: Yes, Those are the antennas.  And yes the Pepperbox Xtreme comes with the connecting cable.

I also have the Pepperbox, (not the Xtreme), and I don't see enough difference to warrant spending the extra money.  I would save some money and get the standard Pepperbox.

https://www.getfpv.com/ibcrazy-5-8-ghz-13dbic-pepperbox-antenna.ht 

Thank you very much! I just thought about the extreme one because I had read carefully your comments "if I was to buy one today I would get the Pepperbox Extreme"... BUT, if you say so, maybe you have learned there's no such a big difference in deed.

(21-Jan-2020, 03:44 AM)natanrufino Wrote: Thank you very much! I just thought about the extreme one because I had read carefully your comments "if I was to buy one today I would get the Pepperbox Extreme"... BUT, if you say so, maybe you have learned there's no such a big difference in deed.

I got one about a month ago based on the specs and the reviews seemed to back that up.  But after flying with it I don't see enough difference for the extra money.

(21-Jan-2020, 05:18 AM)Krohsis Wrote: I got one about a month ago based on the specs and the reviews seemed to back that up.  But after flying with it I don't see enough difference for the extra money.

Thanks brother!

(26-Aug-2019, 12:23 PM)Krohsis Wrote: Good job keeping your wits about you when you lost video and being able to recover from it. 

I have the EV800D and they are an awesome goggle.  But the "stinger pad" patch antenna that comes with it is pretty poor.  

I know you said you don't need to do long range, but getting antennas that will do long range is a good plan if you're doing mid range, because you don't know when you may change your mind and want to do long range.  If that happens you would need to buy new antennas again perhaps.

Also, the antennas on the goggles is just part of the picture.  You also need a good antenna on the quad.  And if you're doing mid and long range you want an antenna with a longer than standard feedline, that way the quad CF and battery, etc won't block or partially block your signal.  You don't say what you have on the quad, just be sure to run a quality antenna on the quad as well.

Also, what are you running for a VTX?  And what power?  That also plays into the overall performance of the FPV system.

I have attached a couple pics of my EV800Ds and the antennas I have .  I'm very happy with the performance of my system.  The omni is a VAS Ion V2, which is a great omni with good range and good multipath rejection.  The patch antenna is a VAS Pepperbox.  It is a very good directional antenna, but if I was to buy one today I would get the Pepperbox Extreme.  Its performance is a tad better.  On the quad I run 800mw-1w of power on my VTX and I have a VAS Ion V2 on the quad for an antenna.  TrueRC is another brand that makes good antennas for mid and long range, both patch and omni.  

One thing to remember a good system will work in close and far away.  My system works in my backyard, and I have been out just over 8 miles with this system.  But also, no antenna can overcome physics.  You will still be able to get too low when you're further out and have issues.  Also, if you drop behind a mountain, you will lose signal, I've been there and had a oh   experience like you did.

Something else I noticed with the EV800Ds, and that is the onboard battery is pretty wimpy.  It goes flat pretty fast.  But what I also noticed is when the battery was about half depleted the performance of the goggle out any range at all got noticeably poorer.  So I removed the stock battery and soldered in a extension cord from the old battery lead in wires and now I have an external battery.  The external battery is a 2s 3300mah battery and no more issues.  I can fly for many hours and no performance problems.  The system is supposed to be able to handle 3s, but I have never tried that given that 2s works fine as long as there is sufficient capacity. 

You said that you can't use a patch antenna unless it has a cable.  You can get short extension cables, and you can get connectors, in various angles, i.e. 30*, 45*, 90* etc.  But at every connection point there is some loss of signal.  Just something to think about.

Good luck and let us know what you decide on for changes and how they work for you. 

What antenna do you have on your quad?
Also, I have a luminaire axII 2 5.8 right angle long range antenna. Should I put that on my 5inch quad or on my eachine googles?

(20-Feb-2020, 06:12 PM)Cheb2703 Wrote: What antenna do you have on your quad?
Also, I have a luminaire axII 2 5.8 right angle long range antenna. Should I put that on my 5inch quad or on my eachine googles?

You want an omni on the quad.  Directionals go on the goggles.

(20-Feb-2020, 06:44 PM)Krohsis Wrote: You want an omni on the quad.  Directionals go on the goggles.

My VTX has an MMCX connector and I have an adapter from MMCX to SMA so I can put SMA antennas on there. Would I lose less range with an adapter and SMA antenna or just have an MMCX antenna?

(20-Feb-2020, 10:10 PM)Cheb2703 Wrote: My VTX has an MMCX connector and I have an adapter from MMCX to SMA so I can put SMA antennas on there. Would I lose less range with an adapter and SMA antenna or just have an MMCX antenna?

It's been proven that there is minuscule signal loss by using an adapter. It's not even worth worrying about TBH unless you are planning on doing extreme long range. A lot of quad builders opt for an MMCX to SMA pigtail adapter because it makes swapping out the antenna far easier than having to dig around inside the quad to remove the MMCX connector from the VTX each time. Plus from an aesthetics point of view it looks better IMO.