As some of you know I am slowly learning to fly my first little quad, a Mobula 7.

Now in vacation I do spend every day practicing a few batteries. Fly it outdoors, 1S, LOS.

I now have reached a good control when hovering and going to and fro and even sideways even with some windy gusts all of this in Acro mode. So some progress is there from a month back.

What is still very limiting is my total loss of coordination if the yaw is 90 degrees from me. I rapidly loose control and crash.

I do manage to resist some time more with a yaw angle of 45 degrees and am quite ok with 20-30 degrees.

Is flying under control with steep yaw angles  the next barrier I need to overcome to slowly learn?

When in a month or so I'll buy my first goggles will this time spent in LOS still help me?

Thanks a lot.

To be honest LOS and FPV are completely different. You will retain some muscle memory of course but it's completely a different style. Just enjoy LOS flying, it's great. In my experience the learning curve of LOS is steep comparing to FPV. You'll be soon doing some nice freestyle in FPV and maybe still struggle with making a coordinated 8 in LOS acro.

LOS flying might help with throttle control and a bit of control on the other stick axis but that is proabaly all.

LOS and FPV are completely different disclines and an entirely different experience. Most people find FPV much easier and once you start flying FPV you will probably never go back to LOS.

For LOS you are probably just better off flying in angle mode (which is much easier with LOS) unless you have aspirations of becoming a master at LOS acro flying.

Aw I see. I was under the impression that the sooner you go to Acro and the better so that you don't develop too much muscle memory in Angle mode, but I think. I understand what you're saying.

It is encouraging that FPV seems to be better. Wonder if my 200 hours of piloting sailplanes will help me a little (minus all of the body acceleration feelings which are soooo important in competition sailplane flying)

Still I'll spend my vacation here flying LOS since I still don't have googles

Are there recommended progressions/exercises for FPV or you just don the goggles, take off and fly away?

Erm. When i was flying planes, I had serious problems with yaw being at any angle towards me. LOL

one of the ways i kinda overcome it was....

"I start with it facing away from me. then when i turn I sway my body to the direction i turn abit. then slow do it until it faces somewhat angled towards me "

For me i find the swaying to the left or right keeps me locked on thinking that i am on the plane itself regardless of how it looks. After a while it just kinda "clicks" and i don't need to sway anymore





quads.. however.. i can't LOS for the life of it... because there are much more variables at play than a plane flying straight through air. . . =P

I'd take off and land a few times. The angle of the camera means that you have to get used to what level actually means from the quad's point of view. Then do some straight runs across in front of yourself, with 180 turns at each end.

One thing you can practice LOS is punch-outs (punching the throttle to cause the quad to hop up), drop the throttle to zero, and then throttle back up to 'catch' the quad. It's the basis for a lot of freestyle tricks and some elements of racing, and it will help you get used to throttle management.

Then you can start thinking about snap rolls!

Thanks guys. Very much appreciated.

What I did learning LOS is... umm.. I think it's called something like box flying??? IDK anyway, you always keep the rear of the quad toward you do loops flips etc.....

then when I was confident in that I did the same thing with the quad facing TOWARD me... so now everything is backward........ Once I got good at that I started to do figure 8's and just flying at that 90 degree angle back and fourth.

Eventually orientation won't even be thought of... you will just know instictively what ur doing and which way the quad iis facing at all time just because you have total control and you know exactly what ur trying to do.

Of course every once in a while I still lose orientation after bumping the ground and the quad does an unexpected 90 degree or 180 degree turn, or even just because I lose focus.... I believe this all eventually goes away though and you will eventually have complete control... you start to think of yourself as in the cockpit looking forward and it's just natural.

Just takes time.

BTW.... I did the same thing, I started with LOS then went to goggles.

When I finally got the goggles I felt COMPLETELY limited and I didn't like it AT ALL..... I felt boxed in and claustrophobic with only a narrow view in front......  However, this went away within flying 3 batteries ;D So if you DO experience this then just remember what I said.

And yes I believe LOS flying helped A LOT. I believe it gave me more control when doing tricks and stuff than I would have had had I not started LOS..... Of course I can't compare it to anything because I can't go back and unlearn LOS and start with FPV and see how I do ;D

I could not fly LOS if my life depended on it lol.

(14-Aug-2020, 11:14 PM)bLoWsMokE Wrote: And yes I believe LOS flying helped A LOT. I believe it gave me more control when doing tricks and stuff than I would have had had I not started LOS..... Of course I can't compare it to anything because I can't go back and unlearn LOS and start with FPV and see how I do ;D

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I am getting more and more confident with flying the little whoop on 2S with windy conditions in acro mode and going faster and faster but only to and fro with the quad aligned in front of me.
I can also negotiate 45 degrees angles albeit not with the same ease. 90 degrees is still too difficult.
As you say if I hit an obstacle and the orientation gets changed abruptly it is very rare I manage to be quick enough to redress the situation.

Honestly, just jump head first into the deep end. Go acro FPV and power through it. I really don't know that you will get much from LOS.

Put it this way, some of the fastest professional drone pilots ... learned in a sim. And couldn't point out the ESC if their life depended on it LOL.

(15-Aug-2020, 06:22 PM)the.ronin Wrote: Honestly, just jump head first into the deep end.  Go acro FPV and power through it.  I really don't know that you will get much from LOS.

Put it this way, some of the fastest professional drone pilots ... learned in a sim.  And couldn't point out the ESC if their life depended on it LOL.

Yeah I did that with LOS and FPV.... I always used acro mode no matter what, I had angle mode on a switch, but that was only for when i lost orientation flying LOS... I never once flew angle mode with FPV. By the time I got my first goggles I had already removed angle mode from the switch on my TX so I'm trying to remember and I honestly don't think I've flown angle mode in FPV for even a single second.

I never had much trouble flying FPV though from the very beginning. I was really good at it, but I didn't really have any trouble with the controls and turning and stuff.... On my youtube channel you can see my progress over like 5 months...... the first video was me flying FPV on my 8th pack at the most..... I had been flying LOS for a month or two before that though so I do think it helped....

Also I never flew FPV in the simulator.... I only used the simulator for LOS practice... Of course I TRIED IT, but i never sat down to practice FPV on the simulator when I first started..... I guess I figured I could just do it when i finally got my goggles...

SO then I finally got my goggles, and I COULD fly fairly well, but then i tried practicing things outside my comfort zone and got stuck in a 100ft tall maple tree, and you know the rest of THAT story ;D

(16-Aug-2020, 07:07 AM)bLoWsMokE Wrote: SO then I finally got my goggles, and I COULD fly fairly well, but then i tried practicing things outside my comfort zone and got stuck in a 100ft tall maple tree, and you know the rest of THAT story ;D

So we belong in the same club In my case living in central Italy it's a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_pine prolly 75 feet! Only this idiot almost killed himself trying to climb on it (have a thread describing my stupidity here on the forum.

Thanks for your input.

I agree with Ronin. Unless you have aspirations to be a LOS God then I would just do that for a bit of fun and not worry too much about how good or skilful you are at it. Once you put the goggles on you will wonder why you even bothered trying to learn LOS flying, and FPV will open up a whole new world for you

Thank you all Jedi masters