I thought about this thread as I was thinking about these sub-250 oriented frame ideas I have in my head. I wanted to classify them as freestyle, racing, ... long range? That's when it dawned on me that this term has stuck for 4 inch lightweight builds because, well, there was no other term. It's like back when we went from quads that could barely fly to those that could actually be nimble enough to weave around trees and go through cracks ("gaps" wasn't even a thing then). But what do we call these things? Well, we flew "in proximity" to things ... so we called it "proximity" lol. It wasn't until well into Cleanflight and these crazy good tunes that people started pushing well beyond hitting gaps and performing very technical maneuvers ... often times not in proximity to things ... what we call that? Freestyle.

So it occured to me this class of FPV really needs its own name. It's really akin to still referring to today's freestyle as yesterday's proximity.

At least for my own purposes, I'm calling it "Endurance." Freestyle, Endurance, Racing, Long Range, Cine are the general classes of FPV drones I'm going with.

Yeah, "Endurance" sounds right to me.

Endurance actually makes sense if it is just long flight time or long distance without the farthest range being long. Like flying 8 kilometers of laps in the yard. While the overall distance traveled is long, it is all accomplished in about a 250 meter circle. Not really long range, just long overall distance traveled.

I didn't even think of that Katy.  I def think doing laps would count as endurance.  

Shoot man I think we just started a trend.  We need a secret handshake.  Who's making the t-shirts?

I think Endurance is the perfect choice. In my mind Endurance is indicative of time while Lang Range is indicative of distance. So endurance fits perfect for those flying laps because ultimately you are measuring how long (time) you can fly and the distance (laps) is a by-product.

On the other hand while flying Long Range you're ultimately measuring how far away (distance) you can fly, regardless of whether you take 30 minutes or 3 minutes to do it. The time it takes to do it is a by-product.

So in my mind they are two distinctly different things. And these two things come together as a single goal is when you group them with weight and they become the "challenge". Then you have three different goals merging into one objective.

Hi Skavage,   EXACTLY     

(09-Mar-2021, 07:33 PM)Skavage Wrote: In my mind Endurance is indicative of time while Lang Range is indicative of distance.

That nailed it.

Range.
what is range of this radio. Distance from source.

Distance.
Any direction. Sum of horizontal movement

Endurance
Time.. in this case flying.

case1. only great range.
900Mhz CF whoop. You could still fly it 5km away. But 2min battery, so low distance and endurance.

case2. only great distance.
5" 6S on FlSky. Flying fast, following it on highway in car with big tailwind. You covered 10km. Great Distance.

case3. only great endurance
DJI drone. You broke the antennna. You cant fly far. You cant fly fast.. so you hover for 40min.

(07-Mar-2021, 11:50 PM)the.ronin Wrote: I didn't even think of that Katy.  I def think doing laps would count as endurance.  

Shoot man I think we just started a trend.  We need a secret handshake.  Who's making the t-shirts?

So are we really making t-shirts?  I’ll buy one or two of them

I am relatively new to FPV. In meeting random people that don't fly, it can take a lot of explaination to cover the different niches of drones. Tiny whoops, cinewhoops, toothpicks, 1s, 2s, 6s parallel. Cruising, Freestyle, Bando. Mr.Steele vs Bubby style. Build or buy. AIO, VTX, CRSF? Long range is also hard to describe. Long -distance- can be relative to the size i.e. nano long range vs 7" 6s parallel li-ion with a ground station.

My interpretation of long range is how far can you go without losing signal, barely, and just enough battery to get home, or, ok, 2.85v...Wings obviously have the advantage, so..not the same class.

So, subcategories of battery size to distance away? Or distance .. traveled? Power to weight to distance ratio? This could get complicated.

Either way, it's all fun! Do we really need to label it? Too many labels already lol

Consider this:

FPV is just flying a drone {specifically a quadcopter}  from the pilots seat; you see what the drone sees, period. Just one explanation.

So, drones have Racing, Freestyle, Long Range...everything else is just flying for fun. 
Racing and Freestyle actually have competitions so they need to be classified.

Kind of like auto racing; dragster, stock car, championship, CanAm (I think that is what they call it). 
Each style race has cars tailored to meet specific needs. 

All the rest of the stuff is just components and could apply to any and all categories.

(11-Mar-2021, 04:27 AM)luispequeno Wrote: So are we really making t-shirts?  I’ll buy one or two of them

You guys got me on a T shirt design binge ... "Coed Naked FPV" ... "Endurance pilots do it best."  

(13-Mar-2021, 09:15 PM)the.ronin Wrote: You guys got me on a T shirt design binge ... "Coed Naked FPV" ... "Endurance pilots do it best."  

"Coed naked FPV"?  LOL

"Coed naked" shirts were all the rage back in the day. I think it started out as college shirts. My fav was from Colgate lacrosse which said "Coed Naked Lacrosse ... Rough, Tough, and in the Buff" lol.

https://www.google.com/search?q=coed+nak...72&bih=868

(13-Mar-2021, 09:15 PM)the.ronin Wrote: You guys got me on a T shirt design binge ... "Coed Naked FPV" ... "Endurance pilots do it best."  

"Endurance pilots do it longest"  I was going to say "...last the longest", but that'd just get me in trouble.