I have been reading some threads regarding Frsky and ACCESS. It seems there are some big hitters there that really like ACCESS and all the new features.

(26-Sep-2019, 06:45 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: Unlike with the other transmitters, at least with the Horus you can buy an upgrade ISRM board which then makes it compatible with the ACCESS protocol, although it will cost you $80 + shipping for the privilege...

https://www.horusrc.com/en/frsky-x10-access-kit.html

So the upgrade to ACCESS (ISRM) is actually $50. The PARA Wi-Fi board is for other features such as connecting Frsky apps and other Wi-Fi related features is $30.

(28-Sep-2019, 05:54 PM)Maiden Flight Wrote: Thanks Snow. No problem with the 500mW, I'm not that confident for the proper long range stuff
My XSRs fall a little short on range. Maybe it's the antenna position, or something else, but even on my 500meters and below radius, I get RSSI low warnings. I think the R9M will give me the reliability I need on my typical flying range. Of course if, later, I get a proper VTX with the power output to go for a full killometer or more with solid image, I'll give it a try

I run the R9M lite which is limited to 100mw. This is more than enough for me as it is my video feed that limits me now and I fly mostly freestyle and medium range.
With the R9 system you have to buy better antennas, the dipole it came with was not performing good. I run the TrueRC MoX antenna on my radio and it works great, the diamond from tbs should work good aswell Im not sure if they have upgraded the antennas it comes with now?

(30-Sep-2019, 06:25 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: So the upgrade to ACCESS (ISRM) is actually $50. The PARA Wi-Fi board is for other features such as connecting Frsky apps and other Wi-Fi related features is $30.

That's a bit more reasonable. At least you guys with the Horus have a get out of jail free card and have the option to continue using FrSky's flagship transmitter with ACCESS and the new modules if you choose to. Unfortunately for everyone else with an X9D or a QX7(S), FrSky seem to have just thrown them under a bus.

(30-Sep-2019, 06:47 AM)Andreas-sa Wrote: I run the R9M lite which is limited to 100mw. This is more than enough for me as it is my video feed that limits me now and I fly mostly freestyle and medium range.
With the R9 system you have to buy better antennas, the dipole it came with was not performing good. I run the TrueRC MoX antenna on my radio and it works great, the diamond from tbs should work good aswell Im not sure if they have upgraded the

Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm going to use it on 100mw too. From what I've seen in reviews the combo seems to perform ok but if a better antenna is needed I'll definetely replace the it.

(30-Sep-2019, 11:08 AM)Maiden Flight Wrote: Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm going to use it on 100mw too. From what I've seen in reviews the combo seems to perform ok but if a better antenna is needed I'll definetely replace the it.

You could try the FrSky Super 8 antenna. It's better tuned to either 868MHz or 915MHz (there are two versions, one for each frequency). The TBS Diamond only comes in one version that is tuned to be somewhere halfway between those two frequencies so not ideal, although if you're not doing proper long range then it probably doesn't really matter so much.

(30-Sep-2019, 12:50 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: You could try the FrSky Super 8 antenna. It's better tuned to either 868MHz or 915MHz (there are two versions, one for each frequency). The TBS Diamond only comes in one version that is tuned to be somewhere halfway between those two frequencies so not ideal, although if you're not doing proper long range then it probably doesn't really matter so much.

The combo comes with super 8, but it must the fcc tuned version I guess. If it doesn't failsafe on my typical range it's ok with me

Here is an example of Oscar performing a latency test.

https://oscarliang.com/r9m-lite-crossfir...y-testing/

Drone Mesh has done some latency test also on his YT channel.

Why do CF people get upset? It is like anything else. You are attacking a product that they feel strongly about. Kind of like PC/Mac, Android/iPhone, Xbox/PS4. You get the point.

I'd really like it if they just brought out an update for the QX7 that made it compatible with the R9M 2019 module. Then I'd just suck up the 40 bucks and get the new module, not so pissed about that part just that they're making my actual radio irrelevant which isnt even that old.

What is really needed is a hardware module that fits inside the bay with electronics to convert the link and accept the new modules...like an adapter; then the new modules would work with the electronics in any OLD bay. Obviously, FrSky is not going to do this, but someone might. If someone does a 'clean room' build it does NOT violate any copyright (reference the precedence: the Pheonix BIOS chip for the PC which functionally replicates the IBM BIOS).

(03-Oct-2019, 12:55 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: What is really needed is a hardware module that fits inside the bay with electronics to convert the link and accept the new modules...like an adapter; then the new modules would work with the electronics in any OLD bay. Obviously, FrSky is not going to do this, but someone might. If someone does a 'clean room' build it does NOT violate any copyright (reference the precedence: the Pheonix BIOS chip for the PC which functionally replicates the IBM BIOS).

Someone (was it JB?) has said that the QX7 is hardware compatible with the ACCESS stuff but FRsky is refusing to support it.

I'll just leave this here. It seems that even JB himself is planning on switching away from using an FrSky transmitter. Listen to his comments at the end of the video about how unimpressed he is with the route FrSky are taking from 7:04 onwards.

The comments under the video are interesting. I don't see a single one that has anything good to say about FrSky.

I haven't watched the video, but this is interesting development.

Jumper is still relying on Frsky receiver. I wonder if Jumper will release their own receivers.

(06-Oct-2019, 02:46 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: I haven't watched the video, but this is interesting development.

Jumper is still relying on Frsky receiver. I wonder if Jumper will release their own receivers.

The same thing crossed my mind but the unencrypted ACCST protocol has already be reverse engineered (one of the reasons for them moving to the encrpyted ACCESS protocol) so there are a number of receivers out there from other manufacturers that are already using it. The Beeceiver from reputable manufacturer NewBeeDrone HERE is just one example.

Also, don't forget that the Jumper multiprotocol module can connect to other manufacturer receivers like Flysky and Spektrum so you don't just have to use FrSky receivers. With the Jumper, the world is your Oyster

That aside, the R-XSR and XM+ can still be loaded with ACCST firmware so unless FrSky start selling locked down versions of those receivers that for only allowing ACCESS firmware to be flashed to them (which they could implement in the bootloader if they wanted to), then we can still use 2.4GHz FrSky receivers with the ACCST protocol firmware. Even the new R9 "OTA" receivers can still have ACCST firmware flashed to them.

The current ACCST firmware seems pretty stable with the last firmware update for the XM+ being from back in 2017 and for the R-XSR they did a minor bug fix update back in March this year, so I don't think they will be developing the ACCST firmware any further for those receivers which means it's pretty much set in stone. All new development now seems to be gong int the new ACCESS protocol firmware. Just make sure you grab copies of all the ACCST firmware for the R-XSR and XM+ before they decide to remove it from their website!

(06-Oct-2019, 10:18 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: The same thing crossed my mind but the unencrypted ACCST protocol has already be reverse engineered (one of the reasons for them moving to the encrpyted ACCESS protocol) so there are a number of receivers out there from other manufacturers that are already using it. The Beeceiver from reputable manufacturer NewBeeDrone [u]HERE[u] is just one example.

Also, don't forget that the Jumper multiprotocol module can connect to other manufacturer receiverslike Flysky and Spektrum so you don't just have to use FrSky receivers. With the Jumper, the world is your Oyster

That aside, the R-XSR and XM+ can still be loaded with ACCST firmware so unless FrSky start selling locked down versions of those receivers that for only allowing ACCESS firmware to be flashed to them (which they could implement in the bootloader if they wanted to), then we can still use 2.4GHz FrSky receivers with the ACCST protocol firmware. Even the new R9 "OTA" receivers can still have ACCST firmware flashed to them.

The current ACCST firmware seems pretty stable with the last firmware update for the XM+ being from back in 2017 and for the R-XSR they did a minor bug fix update back in March this year, so I don't think they will be developing the ACCST firmware any further for those receivers which means it's pretty much set in stone. All new development now seems to be gong int the new ACCESS protocol firmware. Just make sure you grab copies of all the ACCST firmware for the R-XSR and XM+ before they decide to remove it from their website!

My biggest pain is what Frsky did with the "old" Horus X10.

I'm using an X10 with R9 and both are the non ACCESS version. Even with the upgrade kit for the X10 I need to spend lot of money to change everything to ACCESS compatible. I already sold my old Taranis 9XD+ radio and now as I've seen these positive news regarding the T16 I'm really thinking to sell the X10 and buy a T16 and crossfire to get rid of Frsky completely.