Posts: 21,170 Threads: 581 Likes Received: 8,919 in 6,599 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 The FAA have today made the following official announcement deferring the enforcement of Remote ID in the USA. Source (FAA Website): https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-extends...six-months FAA Wrote:FAA Extends Remote ID Enforcement Date Six Months Wednesday, September 13, 2023 Drone pilots who are unable to comply with the broadcast requirement of the Remote ID Rule will now have until March 16, 2024, to equip their aircraft. After that date, operators could face fines and suspension or revocation of pilot certificates. In making this decision, the FAA recognizes the unanticipated issues that some operators are experiencing finding some remote identification broadcast modules. Drone pilots can meet this deadline by purchasing a standard Remote ID equipped drone from a manufacturer or purchasing a Remote ID broadcast module which can be affixed to existing drones that do not have Remote ID equipment. Remote ID acts like a digital license plate and will help the FAA, law enforcement, and other federal agencies find the control station when a drone appears to be flying in an unsafe manner or where it is not allowed to fly. Learn more here. Posts: 4,073 Threads: 75 Likes Received: 2,548 in 1,858 posts Likes Given: 3,949 Joined: May 2021 Reputation: 121 I think my favorite part of that is, “After that date, operators could face fines and suspension or revocation of pilot certificates.” So I guess with the extension we’re jumping straight into proper enforcement rather than education. Dangerous operations. Disclaimer: I don’t know wtf I’m talking about. I wish I could get the smell of burnt electronics out of my nose. Posts: 21,170 Threads: 581 Likes Received: 8,919 in 6,599 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (13-Sep-2023, 05:30 PM)Lemonyleprosy Wrote: I think my favorite part of that is, “After that date, operators could face fines and suspension or revocation of pilot certificates.” So I guess with the extension we’re jumping straight into proper enforcement rather than education. The key word to take note of there is " could", not "will" Posts: 21,170 Threads: 581 Likes Received: 8,919 in 6,599 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 13-Sep-2023, 05:36 PM (This post was last modified: 13-Sep-2023, 05:45 PM by SnowLeopardFPV. Edit Reason: Added "EDIT" line. ) Below is a live stream from Sean on the announcement... EDIT: And Bruce's video on the same below... Posts: 4,073 Threads: 75 Likes Received: 2,548 in 1,858 posts Likes Given: 3,949 Joined: May 2021 Reputation: 121 13-Sep-2023, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 13-Sep-2023, 08:21 PM by Lemonyleprosy.) I’m not really sure how to interpret the FAA’s most recent Facebook post: What does today’s Remote ID announcement mean for drone pilots? Drone pilots are expected to comply with the original September 16, 2023 compliance date for Remote ID. However, the FAA understands that some drone pilots may not be able to comply because of limited availability of broadcast modules and lack of approved FAA- Recognized Identification Areas. In those instances, the FAA will consider all factors in determining whether to take enforcement action through March 16, 2024. It's important to note that the FAA expects drone pilots to comply with the requirements of the Remote ID rule as soon as possible. Read the full policy at: bit.ly/3LmdVhq Does this mean they can selectively enforce it prior to March 2024? Edit- after reading the unpublished policy, yes, they can selectively enforce it prior to March. It’s at their discretion. Sounds to me like it would be safest to at least have proof that you’ve tried to order one or have one on back order/preorder. Dangerous operations. Disclaimer: I don’t know wtf I’m talking about. I wish I could get the smell of burnt electronics out of my nose. Posts: 21,170 Threads: 581 Likes Received: 8,919 in 6,599 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (13-Sep-2023, 08:13 PM)Lemonyleprosy Wrote: Does this mean they can selectively enforce it prior to March 2024? Watch Sean's video that I put a link to in my previous post. He explains it all. In a nutshell, there will be no enforcement for drones that require an aftermarket broadcast module to be fitted due to lack of their availability, so the FAA are effectively giving owners of those drones a free waiver to not comply with Remote ID regulations until 16th March 2024 . If however you have an off-the-shelf drone with built-in Remote ID capabilities (such as some of the newer DJI camera drones), you will be required to comply with Remote ID regulations from 16th September (in 3 days time) as originally planned. Posts: 21,170 Threads: 581 Likes Received: 8,919 in 6,599 posts Likes Given: 1,425 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 786 (13-Sep-2023, 08:13 PM)Lemonyleprosy Wrote: I’m not really sure how to interpret the FAA’s most recent Facebook post: What does today’s Remote ID announcement mean for drone pilots? Drone pilots are expected to comply with the original September 16, 2023 compliance date for Remote ID. However, the FAA understands that some drone pilots may not be able to comply because of limited availability of broadcast modules and lack of approved FAA- Recognized Identification Areas. In those instances, the FAA will consider all factors in determining whether to take enforcement action through March 16, 2024. It's important to note that the FAA expects drone pilots to comply with the requirements of the Remote ID rule as soon as possible. Read the full policy at: bit.ly/3LmdVhq Does this mean they can selectively enforce it prior to March 2024? Edit- after reading the unpublished policy, yes, they can selectively enforce it prior to March. It’s at their discretion. Sounds to me like it would be safest to at least have proof that you’ve tried to order one or have one on back order/preorder. Greg also answers the same question in the video below... Posts: 5,851 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,775 in 2,237 posts Likes Given: 7,601 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 16-Sep-2023, 01:47 PM (This post was last modified: 18-Sep-2023, 05:20 PM by iFly4rotors.) Well just imagine that. The FAA didn't actually move the Sept. 16, 2023 compliance date, they just have the option to grant a "pass", if they deem so, to pilots who have tried to get a remote ID device, but the device just has not arrived yet; at their discretion. So, order your remote ID and keep the order so that you can prove that you are trying. Education? Consider that the entire past year has been quite the education. With all of the rants and X-Jet's cry for dissenters, remote ID has gotten a huge amount of public exposure and attention. How, could anyone NOT know about it; every day there are more new rants. This just might be one of the largest public education events that the FAA has seen. Although I haven't read every single rant post on YouTube, I have and do continue to read them. What is interesting is that many of these folks don't appear to actually know the FAA regulations and what they say in the rant contains inaccurate or misleading information; they seem to be just joining in to the Remote ID "Me Too" movement. Some even say that they are making the video to support X-Jet's dissention. So, the date is the date with selective enforcement, or lack thereof, until March 16, 2024 and then it is Game On. Now, each of us just needs to figure out where we fit into the grander scheme of things, do what we will do, and accept any ramifications that come our way due to the choices that we have made. • Posts: 2,331 Threads: 117 Likes Received: 809 in 657 posts Likes Given: 126 Joined: Feb 2021 Reputation: 20 …I believe the fpv community has solved the RID “problem” without even trying… I’ve recently read several issues with radio protocols interfering with new digital video systems.. (hd zero goggles rebooting with crossfire on 1w)… And I’ve also seen how the HDzero 1w vtx on full power caused gps modules to loose satellites when turned up.. If memory serves me, doesn’t the new RID module have a gps module!? I had brought this “idea” up when RID was talked about.. I had a gps tracker in my work vehicle.. but it would only give position when I first started the car.. and it stayed there.. untill I restarted it.. I had discovered my FM modulator Signal was so strong it overpowered the gps.. people said “jamming “ the signal would be “illegal”..I simply said the signal is not being “jammed”, it’s just not being heard..just like having your car radio on.. but the car next to you has its bass rattling your windows .. We may already had a “solution” to this the whole time.. • Posts: 5,851 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,775 in 2,237 posts Likes Given: 7,601 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 18-Sep-2023, 06:23 PM (This post was last modified: 18-Sep-2023, 09:08 PM by iFly4rotors.) Hi Rob, I will need to go back and do some more research, however, it is my impression that the totally stand alone Remote ID modules include a GPS module inside the housing (and maybe a small battery?). On the other hand, the "wire in" Remote ID modules are designed to be used with a GPS that is installed on the craft. If the drone does not have a GPS module, then install one. This business of Remote ID signal interference will be worked out one way or another. It will just be one of the growing pains and working out the bugs, but it will all get resolved. There are always one or more solutions. It is whether or not the RID information can be picked up regardless of the type of "jamming" or other interference. Maybe if the signal doesn't transmit correctly where one is flying then that might not be deemed as an appropriate place to fly. If the FAA levies fines for pilots with Remote ID modules that are not properly transmitting or are being blocked or anything else that disturbs the transmission of the data, then the solutions will fall to the pilots. Now, you have hit upon another issue. The legality of 1W transmission? Also, why do we need 1W transmission for Visual Line Of Sight flights. Some of this interference might be reduce by antenna placement. As for ground interference, some of that will diminish once the quad is in the air and farther from the disturbing source. If we want to, we can resolve these issues. It is all up to us. Again, it boils down to where we want to fit into the scheme of things and the choices that we make. The heart of the matter is that Xjet and others believed that enough dissention from the public would get Remote ID cancelled in some way. Well, that didn't happen. So what? We all knew this was coming, however, until it actually went into effect, there appeared to be (false) hope that it could be stopped. Yeah, Right. Now, the date has past, Remote ID is now effective, NOW it is Real, NOW it is Game On, NOW we each determine where we fit and what we will do. You know, they say that the Remote ID modules are not being produced very fast. Wonder Why Not? Maybe because people deferred ordering them until it was determined whether or not the Rants could stop Remote ID or "Really" get the date pushed back. Consider, if people had all been ordering modules 6 months ago, what it might look like. If a company gets 50,000 orders for a $ 200 USD device, does anyone really think that they can't ramp up production? That would be REAL money that they just collected, so I bet they would have gotten busy and ramped up production. Would you build 50,000 devices with little to no orders for them. Hell NO. This is business. On the other hand, IF a company had received $ 10,000,000 USD in orders, yep, they would have gotten the modules produced. Now, if a module is ordered for every UAS (drone) that needs one (how many, 200K, 500K?), I bet those modules will get produced before the discretionary enforcement date of March 16, 2024 even gets here. Just for the record, I have decided to register my Rescue Quad and buy a Remote ID device for it when I get back into quad building. I really don't think that the Remote ID thing will even be an issue for me. In fact, I have been looking into the LAANC thing and think that I can get approval to fly in the park that I was kicked out of. Hmmm. Wouldn't that be a hoot. When I used to fly at that park, I launched from my truck right there in the parking lot in front of God and everybody else; wide open for anyone wanting to approach me. So what if Remote ID has my location? Big Deal. When flying legally and within Visual Line Of Sight, if a person can see the drone, they can most likely see the pilot. Of course, I will have a spotter who is a pretty "healthy" guy with me. If I really thought it to be necessary, I would also be packing heat. In some respects, I am sort of excited about getting a Remote ID module and trying it out. Later, My Friend, iFly • Posts: 4,073 Threads: 75 Likes Received: 2,548 in 1,858 posts Likes Given: 3,949 Joined: May 2021 Reputation: 121 I’ll be buying the flitetest ezID remote id module when I can afford it, hopefully before March 2024. I’ll also be using it as intended and not subverting it in any way. But FWIW- it’s been a while since I read the law/regulations, and you should absolutely read it yourself to verify, and don’t depend on this as a defense in court- my reading and understanding of the letter of the regulation is that the pilot is required to ensure that the module is broadcasting prior to takeoff. I don’t recall it stating that we had to verify what it was broadcasting- in other words, as long as it is broadcasting something, such as your registration number/whatever, you may be safe to take off prior to a gps fix. Dangerous operations. Disclaimer: I don’t know wtf I’m talking about. I wish I could get the smell of burnt electronics out of my nose. • Posts: 5,851 Threads: 47 Likes Received: 2,775 in 2,237 posts Likes Given: 7,601 Joined: Jul 2019 Reputation: 97 Hi Lemony, Yeah, that EZID remote ID looks pretty good. Personally, I want mine to be really working so I will NOT intentionally do anything to make it not work. Yes, I will give the regs yet another read. It doesn't hurt to read them more than once; maybe several times. Consider that the regulations are subject to both interpretation and even modification if necessary, but that will all get sorted when the "scanners" start to appear and see what can be seen. This thing will not be perfect right out of the box, but it will evolve over time, it will improve over time, and things will get adjusted accordingly. That said, I will likely also get a "scanner" app for my phone and see what I can see. I think it will be fun. Hey, I want to see how these things work. Did I mention that I finally got my TRUST certificate. Make it legal, baby. Now, I am truly legit. Later, My Good Friend, iFly Posts: 4,073 Threads: 75 Likes Received: 2,548 in 1,858 posts Likes Given: 3,949 Joined: May 2021 Reputation: 121 18-Sep-2023, 10:33 PM (This post was last modified: 18-Sep-2023, 10:34 PM by Lemonyleprosy.) Nice. I’ve had my trust certificate for a while, and I’m registered with the FAA (and I do slap my registration # on anything with an auw over 250g)- but my registration is up for renewal in a couple months and they won’t let me renew it without also having a remote id module to register at the same time. I certainly try my best to follow rules and regulations, but they don’t always make it easy. Dangerous operations. Disclaimer: I don’t know wtf I’m talking about. I wish I could get the smell of burnt electronics out of my nose. • |