Hi there,

I'm a saxophone-player and truck-driver. After flying tiny drones without FPV I made the step up to the GepRC TinyGo 4K. Hopefully I will master this little starter-cineloop somewhere in '22...!! But first I have some challenges to get a manual and to connect the controller to VelociDrone with the use of BetaFlight. After a couple of drone-rescue-missions the thought occurs that to practise FPV-flying on a simulater is a healthy investment... To get one another set up seems impossible. Any advice?

Any FPV-pilots in the area of West-Betuwe in this digi-gang?

Hope to learn much of you all...!!

Kind regards, Pieter

Welcome to IntoFPV! Simulators are the way to go these days when starting as they amount to stick time without all the risk. Nothing beats actual in the air time, start small and learn to cruise. Getting used to the way your aircraft responds to your inputs will help you build the confidence needed to push things a little at a time.

Getting your radio connected to your PC is not going to involve Betaflight. There are plenty of videos on Youtube regarding connecting your controller to your PC and then getting it set up. For connection to Betaflight, that is a matter of making sure your FC is recognized by the PC so BF can interact with it. Not sure which operating system your PC runs on, Windows seems to break things regularly.

The nice thing about prebuilts is there is generally little to do other than bind them to your radio. No need to get in to tuning or anything, bind and fly. We can help you with the binding part if it gives you trouble.

Welcome. 

+1 What Kaity says.

How you connect your radio transmitter depends on the transmitter...sort of.  If your transmitter has a connector for a USB cable, then I believe you can use it. Of course, assuming the transmitter will work that way. 

If there is no other way and as long as the transmitter supports FrSky XSR receivers, 
then you could purchase an FRSKY XSR-SIM WIRELESS USB DONGLE FOR SIMULATORS for about $ 20 USD.
This dongle acts as a receiver just like you would have in the quad and no need for cables and switching the transmitter
into some mode or something. 

Just my 2 cents.      Since I have never used a simulator. I just learned to fly FOR REAL. 

(06-Jan-2022, 04:04 PM)kaitylynn Wrote: Thanks a lot for the responce! I might cancel my Netflix account since I spend all my time on Velocidrone...
Great way to gain trust and skill. Because of the windy weather lately I stick to the simulater except for a few flights when the wind was around 4Bf. Still pretty windy for cinematic flying but apparently reasonable for some dodging-trees-practice. No crashes...!!
My next challenge is to make a long range antenna setup for the roof of my car to use with my rapidfire receiver om my HDO Fatsharks. I'll look for or post a thread on that...

Happy flying!



Welcome to IntoFPV!  Simulators are the way to go these days when starting as they amount to stick time without all the risk.  Nothing beats actual in the air time, start small and learn to cruise.  Getting used to the way your aircraft responds to your inputs will help you build the confidence needed to push things a little at a time.

Getting your radio connected to your PC is not going to involve Betaflight.  There are plenty of videos on Youtube regarding connecting your controller to your PC and then getting it set up.  For connection to Betaflight, that is a matter of making sure your FC is recognized by the PC so BF can interact with it.  Not sure which operating system your PC runs on, Windows seems to break things regularly.

The nice thing about prebuilts is there is generally little to do other than bind them to your radio.  No need to get in to tuning or anything, bind and fly.  We can help you with the binding part if it gives you trouble.

(07-Jan-2022, 12:16 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Thanks for the responce.

I've ended op with a TBS Tango 2 (and Velocidrone) and a Crossfire Nano on my GepRC Cinelog25. I chose for a Cinelog25 because I want to be able to use the Cinewhoop as flying handycam to record my kids during holidays and stay under 250gr (mounted a Caddx Peanut on top). Now practising with cinematic rates instead of Steele's freestyle rates. Flying hummingbird style...


Welcome. 

+1 What Kaity says.

How you connect your radio transmitter depends on the transmitter...sort of.  If your transmitter has a connector for a USB cable, then I believe you can use it. Of course, assuming the transmitter will work that way. 

If there is no other way and as long as the transmitter supports FrSky XSR receivers, 
then you could purchase an FRSKY XSR-SIM WIRELESS USB DONGLE FOR SIMULATORS for about $ 20 USD.
This dongle acts as a receiver just like you would have in the quad and no need for cables and switching the transmitter
into some mode or something. 

Just my 2 cents.      Since I have never used a simulator. I just learned to fly FOR REAL. 

Hi JazzyLoops,

I have a question...did you fly the Cinelog25 just as it came from the factory??
If yes, how did it fly???  If no, why not???

Did you backup Betaflight with the factory settings??

Is this the HD version?? What battery are you using???  

How much does it weigh will all gear attached including any extra cameras and including the battery???

(16-Feb-2022, 02:34 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi JazzyLoops,

I have a question...did you fly the Cinelog25 just as it came from the factory??
If yes, how did it fly???  If no, why not???

Did you backup Betaflight with the factory settings??

Is this the HD version?? What battery are you using???  

How much does it weigh will all gear attached including any extra cameras and including the battery???

Hi iFly4rotos,

The Cinelog25 I fly is analog and came without a receiver so I built-in a Crossfire nano. GepRC delivers also with pre-installed receivers of all kinds including the Crossfire.

Yes, I've backed-up the factory-setting in Betaflight before I changed the rates a bit.

The batteries I use are Tattu 550Mah 4S Lipo with the 30XT connector

Including the Caddx Peanut (camera) and the battery it weights 222 grams and is good for around 5 minutes flighttime.

Hope I helped you out with this info.

Kind regards

Hi JazzyLoops,

I was wondering if you flew the Cinelog25 before changing anything to see how it flies before making any changes
to the tune. Or, did you make changes before it was ever flown. Just curious. 

My experience is that most BNF quads and even all of my builds fly fine on the factory default tune.  
So far, I have not needed to change the tune on any of my builds and they all fly fine. Before I make
any tuning changes, I always like to take the quad out for a few flights just to see how it behaves
and whether or not any tuning is even needed. In my case, tuning from factory specs has not been 
needed. 

Admittedly, my flying style is smooth, easy cruising at high altitude and occasionally some easy
proximity flying. Presumably, close to how cinematic pilots might fly or how one might fly when 
filming a family event or something.

(17-Feb-2022, 03:15 AM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi JazzyLoops,

I was wondering if you flew the Cinelog25 before changing anything to see how it flies before making any changes
to the tune. Or, did you make changes before it was ever flown. Just curious. 

My experience is that most BNF quads and even all of my builds fly fine on the factory default tune.  
So far, I have not needed to change the tune on any of my builds and they all fly fine. Before I make
any tuning changes, I always like to take the quad out for a few flights just to see how it behaves
and whether or not any tuning is even needed. In my case, tuning from factory specs has not been 
needed. 

Admittedly, my flying style is smooth, easy cruising at high altitude and occasionally some easy
proximity flying. Presumably, close to how cinematic pilots might fly or how one might fly when 
filming a family event or something.

Hi iFly,

Mind you that I'm pretty fresh in the world of flying FPV. My enthousiasm was triggerd by Mr Steele allthough I've found out that the racing rates don't work for me, at least in this stage of my FPV adventure. The rates I use now are more suited for cinematic flying because I want to be able to fly around and film my kids. The racing on Velocidrone made great progress but is completely useless behaviour in the real-life-situation. Now I'm hoovering a lot in between cinematic moves and explore the details of the Velocidrone scenes.
That's a long story to say that I flew briefly with the factory-settings until I used Steele's rates before i choose the much lower cinematic rates. It's pretty likely that I'll change the rates again to my personal preference after some time.
A great difference between the Steele's rates and the more cinematic rates that I use now is that the throttle action is now a lot better for smooth recordings but still there when I need it. I can imagine that for racing it's too spongy but for me in this phase it works great. Also my camera-angle changed from around 30 degrees to 12 degrees which obviously makes a great difference.
On what angle do you use you fpv-cam and what do you use for recording?

Hi Jazzy,

First, let's consider how a quad flies. At hover, the quad is basically level. To get forward movement, 
you push the right stick forward which has the effect of tilting the quad {raising the rear so that air flow 
will PUSH it}. The more tilt on the quad, the faster it will travel. So, if you fly at a speed which tilts 
the quad to a 30 degree angle, then you would likely want the camera tilted up at about 30 degrees so 
that you can see what is directly in front of you instead of looking more towards the ground. The slower 
you go, the less camera tilt that you want. At hovering, you basically want the camera almost level.

Since a lot of pilots fly fast, you will see a lot of 20 to 30 degree {or so} recommendations. 

Basically, the speed that you fly the craft at determines where you want the camera angle.
Faster speed, more camera tilt {upward}. 
Slower speed, less camera tilt {downward}; maybe even to level.

Next, I have my camera angle set real low {at least compared to most others} at about 10 to 15 degrees.
Just a very slight raise from level. I like it at that angle because I fly slower speeds and I fly at very high
altitudes {mostly between 350 and 400 feet - The legal ceiling}. At those altitudes, there isn't much to 
see right in front of the quad. I prefer to look more "down" at the ground so that I can tell where I am
and how to get back. This angle is also pretty decent for hovering and helps me come in for a "landing"
or at least a "soft" crash. Ha, Ha.  

If I was filming in a hover position, then I would want the camera to be pretty level so that I could film 
"in a holding pattern" where the quad is just hovering {no forward movement}. Try flying the quad as
you think you would when filming an event and try different camera angles until you find the angle that
will suit how you want to fly. Different events or types of flying will likely require different angles.

(17-Feb-2022, 03:04 PM)iFly4rotors Wrote: Hi Jazzy,

First, let's consider how a quad flies. At hover, the quad is basically level. To get forward movement, 
you push the right stick forward which has the effect of tilting the quad {raising the rear so that air flow 
will PUSH it}. The more tilt on the quad, the faster it will travel. So, if you fly at a speed which tilts 
the quad to a 30 degree angle, then you would likely want the camera tilted up at about 30 degrees so 
that you can see what is directly in front of you instead of looking more towards the ground. The slower 
you go, the less camera tilt that you want. At hovering, you basically want the camera almost level.

Since a lot of pilots fly fast, you will see a lot of 20 to 30 degree {or so} recommendations. 

Basically, the speed that you fly the craft at determines where you want the camera angle.
Faster speed, more camera tilt {upward}. 
Slower speed, less camera tilt {downward}; maybe even to level.

Next, I have my camera angle set real low {at least compared to most others} at about 10 to 15 degrees.
Just a very slight raise from level. I like it at that angle because I fly slower speeds and I fly at very high
altitudes {mostly between 350 and 400 feet - The legal ceiling}. At those altitudes, there isn't much to 
see right in front of the quad. I prefer to look more "down" at the ground so that I can tell where I am
and how to get back. This angle is also pretty decent for hovering and helps me come in for a "landing"
or at least a "soft" crash. Ha, Ha.  

If I was filming in a hover position, then I would want the camera to be pretty level so that I could film 
"in a holding pattern" where the quad is just hovering {no forward movement}. Try flying the quad as
you think you would when filming an event and try different camera angles until you find the angle that
will suit how you want to fly. Different events or types of flying will likely require different angles.

Thank you for your response and explination. In Velocidrone I started of with race-settings and practiced in high speeds and found out that it's good fun but useless for recording unless I play the recordings in slow-motion. That's when I changed the camera-angle to 12 degrees and rates to lower settings. Now I change the camera angle according to the purpose of the flight like you suggested.
Simply for practice I find it more challenging to fly slow and cinematic then to move in higher speeds. So also in Velocidrone I use the 12 degree camera angle and the rates like these:
              RC-Rate          Rate          RC-Expo     Max Vel
Roll          0,80              0,69             0,20         516
Pitch        0,80              0,69             0,20         516
Yaw         0,80              0,55             0,20         356

Not very spectacular but gives smooth movements and less "oops'es"

What kind of camera do you use on your cinewhoop?  (Also Cinelog25?)

My standard, "go to", camera is the Foxeer Razer Nano 1200TVL ($18.00 USD).
I like this camera as good or better than anything that I have used regardless of cost.

Although, technically, the VTXs transmit at only 600TVL (or is it 700TVL) and it is
said that anything higher is just a waste, I swear that "I" Can Tell the difference.
Interestingly, at $18, why not. I will only use a different camera if there is some
specific need. I do use the Caddx Ant when I want to really par down the weight,
but I think it is still rated at 1000TVL (??).

I don't have any specifically "cine" anything. I do have a 2.5 inch GEPRC Phantom
that I absolutely LOVE . Plus, I have a bunch of custom builds.

By the way, you might find it interesting to look through my Parts Guide <-- click to download.

Hello 
I have been flying fixed wing for close on 25 years and have now decided to try quads and fpv
This is partly due to the ageing process as eyesight can be a bit troublesome when you get older and being able to see as if you are in the cockpit is a great thing
Being retired, I now have the time to build and fly when I want and am thoroughly enjoying the experience
I also have a Terra Buggy and was a driving instructor and at one end taught beginners and at the other end I used to teach people to drive supercars on track and road
Here’s to having much better weather and wishing you happy landings
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