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HELP Tuning beginner quad
#1
Hi guys, so ijust finished build my very first quad and put a Gopro Hero2 on it, when i fly through my goggles everything seems good and smooth, but when i playback the recording from Gopro it looks like im having a seizure when flying it, the quad seems do too much overcorrecting and doesn't look smooth at all.
Can you guys help me with the tuning? i'll put the link to my video here



Thank you
#2
You may have a little bit of bounce-back on some moves that might need a little adjustment to your tune, but it's impossible to give you any real advice based on a video.

You need to give us more information to get useful advice.


I've copied the first essential bit of information from your YouTube post - the configuration:

Gear Used: Oddette F-X220
HQ prop 5x4.3x3 V1s
Racerstar BR2205S 1300 KV
DYS F4 Flight Controller
DYS XSD 20A ESC
Sony HS1177
Foxeer 200mw
FRsky XM+
FRsky QX7
Eachine EV800
Emax Pagoda 2 (VTX-VRX)
Gopro Hero 2

(I suspect an error when you say your motors are 1300kv, 2300kv is more likely.)

Tell us which firmware you are running and post a CLI dump from the flight controller (in [ code ] tags).

Record and post a black box log and post that log together with a video from the flight that the log relates to.

The video doesn't look that bad but I suspect you might have some vibration issues. Some of the jerkyness could also be purely down to your technique, but it's impossible to say without being able to see how you move the sticks in a black box log.
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(09-Sep-2017, 11:10 AM)unseen Wrote: You may have a little bit of bounce-back on some moves that might need a little adjustment to your tune, but it's impossible to give you any real advice based on a video.

You need to give us more information to get useful advice.


I've copied the first essential bit of information from your YouTube post - the configuration:

Gear Used: Oddette F-X220
HQ prop 5x4.3x3 V1s
Racerstar BR2205S 1300 KV
DYS F4 Flight Controller
DYS XSD 20A ESC
Sony HS1177
Foxeer 200mw
FRsky XM+
FRsky QX7
Eachine EV800
Emax Pagoda 2 (VTX-VRX)
Gopro Hero 2

(I suspect an error when you say your motors are 1300kv, 2300kv is more likely.)

Tell us which firmware you are running and post a CLI dump from the flight controller (in [ code ] tags).

Record and post a black box log and post that log together with a video from the flight that the log relates to.

The video doesn't look that bad but I suspect you might have some vibration issues. Some of the jerkyness could also be purely down to your technique, but it's impossible to say without being able to see how you move the sticks in a black box log.

Hi man, 
currently i'm using Betaflight 1.6
unfortunately i didn't record it on the blackbox because i'm really new to this stuff and still don't know what is blackbox log and how to use it, but i already meet some fellow drone pilot in my local area and he retune my PID on the Betaflight configurator, but its already dark in here (Indonesia), so i'll just test it tomorrow. 

this is my first time flying the real quad after 2 months training on simulator, still need more time to train to smoothing the control,
thank you for the advice, i'll try to record my flight on black box tomorrow
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(09-Sep-2017, 03:30 PM)Daniel45 Wrote: Hi man, 
currently i'm using Betaflight 1.6
unfortunately i didn't record it on the blackbox because i'm really new to this stuff and still don't know what is blackbox log and how to use it, but i already meet some fellow drone pilot in my local area and he retune my PID on the Betaflight configurator, but its already dark in here (Indonesia), so i'll just test it tomorrow. 

this is my first time flying the real quad after 2 months training on simulator, still need more time to train to smoothing the control,
thank you for the advice, i'll try to record my flight on black box tomorrow

Sorry, but there is no such thing as Betaflight 1.6!  

There are two versions you need to look at. One is the version of the flight controller firmware - you can get that by going to the CLI tab on the configurator and typing 'version'. The other is the version of the configurator itself which is displayed in the top left hand side of the configurator under the Betaflight logo.

I must congratulate you on being able to fly that well after only learning on a simulator.

Well done and welcome to the forum!
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#5
Only watched it on phone, the most apparent to me was propwash mostly when falling backwards... now changing PIDs and filters might improve that a little bit, but over time you'll also learn to "fly around it". With more experience it will also get smoother.

But as unseen said, it's A) difficult to judge just from video, and B) very good flying for a beginner. Looking forward to more, i think "Indonesia's got talent" Big Grin
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(09-Sep-2017, 04:52 PM)unseen Wrote: Sorry, but there is no such thing as Betaflight 1.6!  

There are two versions you need to look at. One is the version of the flight controller firmware - you can get that by going to the CLI tab on the configurator and typing 'version'. The other is the version of the configurator itself which is displayed in the top left hand side of the configurator under the Betaflight logo.

I must congratulate you on being able to fly that well after only learning on a simulator.

Well done and welcome to the forum!

Big Grin Big Grin  sorry im just typo there, i mean Betaflight 3.1.6

(09-Sep-2017, 06:54 PM)fftunes Wrote: Only watched it on phone, the most apparent to me was propwash mostly when falling backwards... now changing PIDs and filters might improve that a little bit, but over time you'll also learn to "fly around it". With more experience it will also get smoother.

But as unseen said, it's A) difficult to judge just from video, and B) very good flying for a beginner. Looking forward to more, i think "Indonesia's got talent" Big Grin

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#7
So guys, i just finished fly the quad today with some new tuning and i turn the Airmode & Anti-gravity on, i also attach the CLI dump here
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Code:
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# version
# Betaflight / OMNIBUSF4 3.1.6 Feb 21 2017 / 14:33:46 (1fd502c)

# name
name DANIEL

# resources
resource BEEPER 1 B04
resource MOTOR 1 B00
resource MOTOR 2 B01
resource MOTOR 3 A03
resource MOTOR 4 A02
resource MOTOR 5 A01
resource MOTOR 6 A08
resource MOTOR 7 NONE
resource MOTOR 8 NONE
resource MOTOR 9 NONE
resource MOTOR 10 NONE
resource MOTOR 11 NONE
resource MOTOR 12 NONE
resource SERVO 1 NONE
resource SERVO 2 NONE
resource SERVO 3 NONE
resource SERVO 4 NONE
resource SERVO 5 NONE
resource SERVO 6 NONE
resource SERVO 7 NONE
resource SERVO 8 NONE
resource PPM 1 B14
resource PWM 1 B14
resource PWM 2 B15
resource PWM 3 C06
resource PWM 4 C07
resource PWM 5 C08
resource PWM 6 C09
resource PWM 7 NONE
resource PWM 8 NONE
resource LED_STRIP 1 A01
resource SERIAL_TX 1 A09
resource SERIAL_TX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 3 B10
resource SERIAL_TX 4 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 6 C06
resource SERIAL_TX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 11 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 12 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 1 A10
resource SERIAL_RX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 3 B11
resource SERIAL_RX 4 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 6 C07
resource SERIAL_RX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 11 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 12 NONE

# mixer
mixer QUADX

mmix reset


# servo
servo 0 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 1 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 2 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 3 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 4 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 5 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 6 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 7 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1

# servo mix
smix reset



# feature
feature -RX_PPM
feature -VBAT
feature -INFLIGHT_ACC_CAL
feature -RX_SERIAL
feature -MOTOR_STOP
feature -SERVO_TILT
feature -SOFTSERIAL
feature -GPS
feature -FAILSAFE
feature -SONAR
feature -TELEMETRY
feature -CURRENT_METER
feature -3D
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature -RX_MSP
feature -RSSI_ADC
feature -LED_STRIP
feature -DISPLAY
feature -OSD
feature -BLACKBOX
feature -CHANNEL_FORWARDING
feature -TRANSPONDER
feature -AIRMODE
feature -SDCARD
feature -VTX
feature -RX_SPI
feature -SOFTSPI
feature -ESC_SENSOR
feature VBAT
feature RX_SERIAL
feature FAILSAFE
feature CURRENT_METER
feature OSD
feature AIRMODE

# beeper
beeper GYRO_CALIBRATED
beeper RX_LOST
beeper RX_LOST_LANDING
beeper DISARMING
beeper ARMING
beeper ARMING_GPS_FIX
beeper BAT_CRIT_LOW
beeper BAT_LOW
beeper GPS_STATUS
beeper RX_SET
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION_FAIL
beeper READY_BEEP
beeper MULTI_BEEPS
beeper DISARM_REPEAT
beeper ARMED
beeper SYSTEM_INIT
beeper ON_USB

# map
map AETR1234

# serial
serial 20 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 0 64 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 2 0 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 5 0 115200 57600 0 115200

# led
led 0 6,8::C:6
led 1 7,8::C:6
led 2 0,0::C:0
led 3 0,0::C:0
led 4 0,0::C:0
led 5 0,0::C:0
led 6 0,0::C:0
led 7 0,0::C:0
led 8 0,0::C:0
led 9 0,0::C:0
led 10 0,0::C:0
led 11 0,0::C:0
led 12 0,0::C:0
led 13 0,0::C:0
led 14 0,0::C:0
led 15 0,0::C:0
led 16 0,0::C:0
led 17 0,0::C:0
led 18 0,0::C:0
led 19 0,0::C:0
led 20 0,0::C:0
led 21 0,0::C:0
led 22 0,0::C:0
led 23 0,0::C:0
led 24 0,0::C:0
led 25 0,0::C:0
led 26 0,0::C:0
led 27 0,0::C:0
led 28 0,0::C:0
led 29 0,0::C:0
led 30 0,0::C:0
led 31 0,0::C:0

# color
color 0 0,0,0
color 1 0,255,255
color 2 0,0,255
color 3 30,0,255
color 4 60,0,255
color 5 90,0,255
color 6 120,0,255
color 7 150,0,255
color 8 180,0,255
color 9 210,0,255
color 10 240,0,255
color 11 270,0,255
color 12 300,0,255
color 13 330,0,255
color 14 0,0,0
color 15 0,0,0

# mode_color
mode_color 0 0 1
mode_color 0 1 11
mode_color 0 2 2
mode_color 0 3 13
mode_color 0 4 10
mode_color 0 5 3
mode_color 1 0 5
mode_color 1 1 11
mode_color 1 2 3
mode_color 1 3 13
mode_color 1 4 10
mode_color 1 5 3
mode_color 2 0 10
mode_color 2 1 11
mode_color 2 2 4
mode_color 2 3 13
mode_color 2 4 10
mode_color 2 5 3
mode_color 3 0 8
mode_color 3 1 11
mode_color 3 2 4
mode_color 3 3 13
mode_color 3 4 10
mode_color 3 5 3
mode_color 4 0 7
mode_color 4 1 11
mode_color 4 2 3
mode_color 4 3 13
mode_color 4 4 10
mode_color 4 5 3
mode_color 5 0 9
mode_color 5 1 11
mode_color 5 2 2
mode_color 5 3 13
mode_color 5 4 10
mode_color 5 5 3
mode_color 6 0 6
mode_color 6 1 10
mode_color 6 2 1
mode_color 6 3 0
mode_color 6 4 0
mode_color 6 5 2
mode_color 6 6 3
mode_color 6 7 6
mode_color 6 8 0
mode_color 6 9 0
mode_color 6 10 0
mode_color 7 0 3

# aux
aux 0 0 0 1525 2100
aux 1 1 1 900 1300
aux 2 2 1 1300 1700
aux 3 12 2 1700 2100
aux 4 0 0 900 900
aux 5 0 0 900 900
aux 6 0 0 900 900
aux 7 0 0 900 900
aux 8 0 0 900 900
aux 9 0 0 900 900
aux 10 0 0 900 900
aux 11 0 0 900 900
aux 12 0 0 900 900
aux 13 0 0 900 900
aux 14 0 0 900 900
aux 15 0 0 900 900
aux 16 0 0 900 900
aux 17 0 0 900 900
aux 18 0 0 900 900
aux 19 0 0 900 900

# adjrange
adjrange 0 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 1 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 2 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 3 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 4 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 5 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 6 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 7 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 8 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 9 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 10 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 11 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 12 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 13 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 14 0 0 900 900 0 0

# rxrange
rxrange 0 1000 2000
rxrange 1 1000 2000
rxrange 2 1000 2000
rxrange 3 1000 2000

# rxfail
rxfail 0 a
rxfail 1 a
rxfail 2 a
rxfail 3 a
rxfail 4 h
rxfail 5 h
rxfail 6 h
rxfail 7 h
rxfail 8 h
rxfail 9 h
rxfail 10 h
rxfail 11 h
rxfail 12 h
rxfail 13 h
rxfail 14 h
rxfail 15 h
rxfail 16 h
rxfail 17 h

# master
set task_statistics = ON
set mid_rc = 1500
set min_check = 1020
set max_check = 1900
set rssi_channel = 0
set rssi_scale = 30
set rc_interp = AUTO
set rc_interp_ch = RP
set rc_interp_int = 19
set rssi_ppm_invert = OFF
set input_filtering_mode = OFF
set fpv_mix_degrees = 0
set max_aux_channels = 14
set debug_mode = NONE
set min_throttle = 1060
set max_throttle = 2000
set min_command = 1000
set digital_idle_percent =  6.000
set 3d_deadband_low = 1406
set 3d_deadband_high = 1514
set 3d_neutral = 1460
set 3d_deadband_throttle = 0
set use_unsynced_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_protocol = DSHOT600
set motor_pwm_rate = 480
set disarm_kill_switch = ON
set gyro_cal_on_first_arm = OFF
set auto_disarm_delay = 5
set small_angle = 25
set fixedwing_althold_dir = 1
set reboot_character = 82
set serial_update_rate_hz = 100
set gps_provider = NMEA
set gps_sbas_mode = AUTO
set gps_auto_config = ON
set gps_auto_baud = OFF
set gps_wp_radius = 200
set nav_controls_heading = ON
set nav_speed_min = 100
set nav_speed_max = 300
set nav_slew_rate = 30
set beeper_inversion = ON
set beeper_od = OFF
set serialrx_provider = SBUS
set serialrx_halfduplex = OFF
set sbus_inversion = ON
set spektrum_sat_bind = 0
set spektrum_sat_bind_autorst = 1
set tlm_switch = OFF
set tlm_inversion = ON
set sport_halfduplex = ON
set frsky_default_lat =  0.000
set frsky_default_long =  0.000
set frsky_gps_format = 0
set frsky_unit = IMPERIAL
set frsky_vfas_precision = 0
set frsky_vfas_cell_voltage = OFF
set hott_alarm_int = 5
set pid_in_tlm = OFF
set ibus_report_cell_voltage = OFF
set bat_capacity = 0
set vbat_scale = 110
set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 43
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 33
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 35
set vbat_hysteresis = 1
set ibat_scale = 290
set ibat_offset = 20
set mwii_ibat_output = OFF
set current_meter_type = ADC
set battery_meter_type = ADC
set bat_detect_thresh = 55
set use_vbat_alerts = ON
set use_cbat_alerts = OFF
set cbat_alert_percent = 10
set align_gyro = DEFAULT
set align_acc = DEFAULT
set align_mag = DEFAULT
set align_board_roll = 0
set align_board_pitch = 0
set align_board_yaw = 0
set gyro_lpf = OFF
set gyro_sync_denom = 1
set gyro_isr_update = OFF
set gyro_use_32khz = OFF
set gyro_lowpass_type = PT1
set gyro_lowpass = 90
set gyro_notch1_hz = 0
set gyro_notch1_cut = 300
set gyro_notch2_hz = 200
set gyro_notch2_cut = 100
set moron_threshold = 48
set imu_dcm_kp = 2500
set imu_dcm_ki = 0
set alt_hold_deadband = 40
set alt_hold_fast_change = ON
set deadband = 0
set yaw_deadband = 0
set thr_corr_value = 0
set thr_corr_angle = 800
set yaw_control_direction = 1
set yaw_motor_direction = -1
set servo_center_pulse = 1500
set tri_unarmed_servo = ON
set servo_lowpass_hz = 400
set servo_lowpass = OFF
set servo_pwm_rate = 50
set gimbal_mode = NORMAL
set channel_forwarding_start = 4
set airmode_start_throttle = 1350
set failsafe_delay = 10
set failsafe_off_delay = 10
set failsafe_throttle = 1000
set failsafe_kill_switch = OFF
set failsafe_throttle_low_delay = 100
set failsafe_procedure = DROP
set rx_min_usec = 885
set rx_max_usec = 2115
set acc_hardware = NONE
set acc_lpf_hz = 10
set accxy_deadband = 40
set accz_deadband = 40
set acc_unarmedcal = ON
set acc_trim_pitch = 0
set acc_trim_roll = 0
set baro_tab_size = 21
set baro_noise_lpf =  0.600
set baro_cf_vel =  0.985
set baro_cf_alt =  0.965
set baro_hardware = NONE
set mag_hardware = NONE
set mag_declination = 0
set pid_process_denom = 1
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 1
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set blackbox_on_motor_test = OFF
set magzero_x = 0
set magzero_y = 0
set magzero_z = 0
set ledstrip_visual_beeper = OFF
set osd_units = METRIC
set osd_rssi_alarm = 20
set osd_cap_alarm = 1300
set osd_time_alarm = 3
set osd_alt_alarm = 100
set osd_vbat_pos = 2466
set osd_rssi_pos = 22
set osd_flytimer_pos = 2487
set osd_ontimer_pos = 374
set osd_flymode_pos = 33
set osd_throttle_pos = 129
set osd_vtx_channel_pos = 200
set osd_crosshairs = 0
set osd_horizon_pos = 200
set osd_current_pos = 2477
set osd_mah_drawn_pos = 111
set osd_craft_name_pos = 459
set osd_gps_speed_pos = 66
set osd_gps_sats_pos = 386
set osd_altitude_pos = 161
set osd_pid_roll_pos = 322
set osd_pid_pitch_pos = 354
set osd_pid_yaw_pos = 386
set osd_power_pos = 47
set osd_pidrate_profile_pos = 418
set osd_battery_warning_pos = 200
set vcd_video_system = 0
set vcd_h_offset = 0
set vcd_v_offset = 0
set displayport_msp_col_adjust = 0
set displayport_msp_row_adjust = 0
set displayport_max7456_col_adjust = 0
set displayport_max7456_row_adjust = 0

# profile
profile 0

set gps_pos_p = 15
set gps_pos_i = 0
set gps_pos_d = 0
set gps_posr_p = 34
set gps_posr_i = 14
set gps_posr_d = 53
set gps_nav_p = 25
set gps_nav_i = 33
set gps_nav_d = 83
set yaw_p_limit = 500
set pidsum_limit =  0.500
set d_lowpass_type = PT1
set d_lowpass = 100
set d_notch_hz = 260
set d_notch_cut = 160
set vbat_pid_gain = OFF
set pid_at_min_throttle = ON
set anti_gravity_thresh = 350
set anti_gravity_gain =  1.000
set setpoint_relax_ratio = 20
set d_setpoint_weight = 100
set yaw_accel_limit =  10.000
set accel_limit =  0.000
set iterm_windup = 50
set yaw_lowpass = 0
set p_pitch = 65
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 25
set p_roll = 55
set i_roll = 45
set d_roll = 25
set p_yaw = 65
set i_yaw = 50
set d_yaw = 25
set p_alt = 50
set i_alt = 0
set d_alt = 0
set p_level = 50
set i_level = 50
set d_level = 100
set p_vel = 55
set i_vel = 55
set d_vel = 75
set level_sensitivity = 55
set level_limit = 55
rateprofile 0

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 140
set rc_rate_yaw = 112
set rc_expo = 30
set rc_yaw_expo = 10
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_srate = 72
set pitch_srate = 70
set yaw_srate = 70
set tpa_rate = 10
set tpa_breakpoint = 1650

#

and here is my flight footage from Gopro
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Hint, use [code ] tags instead of [quote ], then we can scroll through and it doesn't take so much space.

PS: Nice video edit. Do you feel comfortable with the rates? I use almost same rc_rates but no expo.
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(10-Sep-2017, 05:13 PM)fftunes Wrote: Hint, use [code ] tags instead of
Quote:, then we can scroll through and it doesn't take so much space.

PS: Nice video edit. Do you feel comfortable with the rates? I use almost same rc_rates but no expo.
thanks for the info, i've edit the post  Big Grin
the rates feels really nice than before, also after switching from HQ props to DAL Cyclone the quad feel more locked in and faster, but after 3 days flying i start to feel like the quad was quite slow, especially when climbing, do you think i need to replace the motors with higher KV?
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Did you change props after adjusting PID? Maybe PID are a bit high for these props now. You could try adding a bit more TPA, sometimes i feel this helps a bit reaching better rpm.

But in detail only a log file could tell about noise, filter settings etc.
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(10-Sep-2017, 07:30 PM)fftunes Wrote: Did you change props after adjusting PID? Maybe PID are a bit high for these props now. You could try adding a bit more TPA, sometimes i feel this helps a bit reaching better rpm.

But in detail only a log file could tell about noise, filter settings etc.

yes i did, i'll try to do blackbox logging on next flight
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