I am registered with the FAA, an active AMA member (active meaning I pay money lol), and a licensed FCC Ham Technician. My name's all over the place man lol. I'm so effed lol. Oh and I owned a Phantom once so DJI has my infos too lol.

(24-May-2020, 04:14 PM)the.ronin Wrote: I am registered with the FAA, an active AMA member (active meaning I pay money lol), and a licensed FCC Ham Technician.  My name's all over the place man lol.  I'm so effed lol.  Oh and I owned a Phantom once so DJI has my infos too lol.

Oh. Bad luck LOL.

I guess you'll be needing one of these mirrors then

 

Oh they won't be tracking me I take precautions!!

(24-May-2020, 06:39 PM)the.ronin Wrote: Oh they won't be tracking me I take precautions!!

STOP!!! Too much information. We don't really want to know what you get up to in your spare time  LOL

Electronic ID for all drones > 800g is already in force in France (since the 29/06/20) ...
You also have to register the drone officially + getting a certification (training) .

Cost of the Electronic ID 200$ !!!

if you don t comply , it will cost you 135$ ....

I don t mind do all of this , but I don t accept to be ripped off by having to purchase 5 ID for 1000$ !!!

(04-Jul-2020, 08:10 AM)Nicoalas Wrote: Electronic ID for all drones > 800g is already in force in France (since the 29/06/20) ...
You also have to register the drone officially + getting a certification (training) .

Cost of the Electronic ID 200$ !!!

if you don t comply , it will cost you 135$ ....

I don t mind do all of this , but I don t accept to be ripped off by having to purchase 5 ID for 1000$ !!!

Wow. I never even heard of this. They've certainly kept that all a bit quiet. It looks like it might have some relation to FLARM.

This could be worrying because if it proves itself in France then it is likely that EASA will look to adopt the same model for the rest of Europe. That said, unless they bring the weight requirements down then it shouldn't really affect FPV pilots because it's quite rare for an FPV quad to be over 799g unless it's a long range quad, in which case you are probably already breaking other BVLOS laws so you may as well just break the Electronic ID law as well and not fit one. The fine is also less than the cost of the the device anyway...so well...yeah  

I found the following articles from way back in early 2018, but not a lot more than that...

• https://www.unmannedairspace.info/uncategorized/french-government-outlines-proposals-drone-e-identification-lights
  
• https://dronebelow.com/2018/04/12/new-draft-drone-laws-for-france-require-remote-id-and-signal
  
• https://dronedj.com/2018/04/11/french-drone-regulation
  

And this on the general drone rules for France which makes reference to the Remote ID rules you mentioned...

• https://drone-traveller.com/drone-laws-france
  

Quote:Remote ID

From 29 June 2020, drones weighing 800 grams or more must be equipped with a signaling device. It transmits the drone’s identification and information on the current flight (coordinates, speed, course) at regular intervals by radio signal (WIFI). The identification is stored at AlphaTango so that the authorities have access to it. The penalty for not having a signaling device starts at 135 euros. Exceptions are made for model and sports pilots and unmanned flight systems that are only used indoors.

Those who register before 29 June 2020 can benefit from a transitional period. There is then still time until 29 December 2020 to add this device.

If you do not register until 29 June 2020, you do not have to expect penalties immediately. Fines are only due from 1 November 2020. You will find more information on this information sheet (in French).

800 grams is definitely more sensible than 250.

The sad truth looks to be if you want to fly in the future you will need to do so outside the law.  Some won't want to do that.  As for me, I'm ok with it....as I see it, if I'm not putting people or property at risk, my conscience is clear.  From a moral or ethical standpoint, I see violating the new drone laws less of an issue than committing a simple traffic violation.  The results of simple traffic violations kill people and damage property all the time.  I don't see that ever happening with a drone in violation of the new regs.   


I see this less of an issue than most of you here, at least for those of us in the USA.  What the new regs will change is where you fly, albeit illegally.  Currently you walk or drive a short distance to a park or commercial area.  After the regulations become in effect you will have to go to more remote places to fly.  That means you may have to travel some to fly.  We already do it for boating, fishing, dirtbiking, hiking, mountain biking, etc.  We just need to accept we will have to do it for flying now as well.  An inconvenience, yes.  But merely a change in how you enjoy your hobby.  This is why long range pilots are going to be impacted less than the typical freestyler.  Most that fly long range already go out in remote areas.  It's the freestylers that will have to change where they fly.


The FAA doesn't have the manpower or funding to support enforcement of these new regs, and certainly not outside of metropolitan areas.  So, the Feds are expecting State and Local LE to do the lion's share of the enforcement.  Most state and local jurisdictions have anti-drone laws on the books, and can refer investigative contacts to the Feds.   But local LE don't have the manpower or funding for an increase in calls on drones.  If you are flying in rural areas you likely are in County jurisdiction, and Counties are typically way to strapped to worry about the occasional drone violation that is called in.  Those kinds of calls are WAY down on the priority list.  

And drone violation calls will go even further down the list if national radical politics gets its way and they defund the police.  More and more priority 3 & 4 calls will go unanswered completely due to lack of funding and manpower.  So the likelihood of getting caught in violation of the local, state or federal laws is extremely small if you're smart about where you fly.

Also remember in the USA, the Government has to prove you're guilty.  You don't have to prove you're not guilty/innocent.  So if you're contacted by LE, be respectful and courteous, but that doesn't mean you have to give up your rights, so keep your yap shut on things that put you into legal jeopardy.  Don't say things that help them and hurt you legally.  Also keeping quiet means even with friends as well who may or may not be FPVers, or may tell their friends in conversation who are hostile to FPV.  Loose lips sink ships so to speak.

Agree with Krohsis; the enforcement of "drone control" is likely not going to be a priority. As long as you don't fly where there is a lot of people, you might get away with it. 

But, consider limiting your exposure, that is: "fly-it-like-you-stole-it"; prepare as much as you can beforehand, setup quickly, fly a couple of packs, load up, then get out quickly. I generally prepare a few quads ( 2 or 3 mostly) with battery packs attached and ready to go. When I get to a location, turn everything on, fire up a quad and fly, fly the remaining quads, then leave.  

I am hoping that the sub 250g class will continue to be exempt.

Unfortunately I think you're right Krohsis.
I live in Europe and since 2018, when I joined the hobby, I've registered my drone and also have to ask authorization to fly on pre determined spots. The maximum period for the authorization is 2 months. I don't mind and in my opinion that is OK. My flights get recorded on my region notams and I get to fly with the peace of mind.
With this ID thing that eventually will get everywhere it's going to be really hard to fly legal.

I think that the weight of the drone is important but cannot be used as a metric. The place you fly really makes the difference. I don't want to fly my 700g over people's head, or over cars. I don't want to fly on a busy street. For those on these situations or with commercial purposes, of course there should exist some more strict laws, but for the ones flying in remote areas, the laws should be different.

On urban roads I can speed up to 31 miles per hour with my car, on the highway I can speed up to 75 miles per hour. It's the same car, just the conditions, the surroundings, nearby people or assets are different. There is a different risk associated with that speed and so the regulation changes.

I see the 800g as a really nice value for weight, but I fly 5'' and maybe people who fly 6'' or 7'' say that 1Kg should be the limit (I don't know if those quads weight 1Kg). Hitting someone with 800g or 1000g quads will have bad outcomes and even with 250g I guess, since they are fast. Kinetc energy is not only a formula with mass but also with velocity. A 250g will hurt if it can get enough speed.

My take on this is, there should be restrictions , I see a lot of guys pushing the bounderies of what is OK, but there should be considered way more factors than weight.