Tonight I was dreaming about practicing flicks (when I real life I'm still needing ample training on just flying) and I wondered.

Would it be better to go up high to practice a flick with more height to recover but also more risk of dropping down from such height (and also landing farther from you maybe risking to lose the quad) OR just try lower and if you bingle you'll just drop from a gentler height?

High enough and far enough from object to recover from potential initial nervous over correction. Nothing wrong with going low first if you have decent throttle control and done it with LOS before but I would start in open space at decent height. Flick and roll to your heart's content.

With any trick I would recommend some height until you have the stick movements under control. It gives a lot more time to recover if you make an accident. Also possible to set up angle mode on a switch and if you become disorientated during the move, just flick the switch and you will be levelled out.

3 tricks high is the golden rule while you are learning. The biggest problem most beginners face when doing a flip is orientation. Until you get the muscle memory for timing on how long to deflect the stick for to bring the horizon back into view, it is easy to panic when you don't see the horizon reappear and end up looking at the ground or the sky with no idea where you are or what direction you are facing because you didn't hold the pitch stick forward or back enough for the correct amount of time. At least if you are high up when that happens you have time to try and get the horizon back into view before your quad plummets to the ground.

Another tip while learning is not to do a flip when the camera is facing a low lying sun which is close to the horizon line (i.e. near to dawn or dusk). This is because some cameras can momentarily blow out when going from dark to extreme light and you can end up with a completely white screen for a second while the camera adjusts itself. This can cause confusion and disorientation while your brain is trying to determine where the horizon is, so it's another reason to be high enough so you have time for your brain to re-engage if necessary.

Also, learn any new tricks over a grassy field which at least has some amount of absorption in the event of a crash to try and limit the amount of damage that might be done if that happens.

And if you can get set up on a simulator with your own rates, then put the time in there first. The muscle memory will translate, even if the experience itself is very different.

In my opinion as soon as you started worrying about crashing you started with the wrong mindset.

Racers that can fly 80mph through gates at 90 degree angles didn't get that good by setting up gates in the clouds because they were worried about crashing.... Same with freestyle.

I would go on the simulator and practice them first though.

Wow guys all great advice. Thanks.

As per losing orientation I guess my acro piloting in person (with the Gs felt in my body not on an OSD) might help me a tad.

I am practicing either on the beach, which aside from the sand grains being a pain to remove is SOFT or on a grassy field, not as soft but still not concrete/tarmac.

I am doing this quite well with Velocidrone but the experience I'm doing in there does not seem to translate to the real birds.

As per switching to ANGLE this actually is starting to be more of a problem than not. Today on my second battery I decided to take off in Angle and then switch to Acro but fumbling with the switches I managed to crash Much better to take off already in Acro in my experience.

BTW I'm still finding a good switch to DISARM quickly. Started with SF (on the TX16S) but often hit the higher SE to disarm (I am a pincher). Today I changed the ARM/DISARM to SE and hit SF ....

Need to find a way that I can disarm with EITHER SE or SF is flipped up.

Hi rjalex
I lost my orientation last year. see lol

You can set logical switches such that either one will disarm.
You can also have switches that need to be held for a certain time to arm (for safety). Logical switches are awesome. Look for some youtube vids on that. Very powerful

(25-Oct-2020, 06:49 PM)tkrek68 Wrote: Hi rjalex
I lost my orientation last year. see lol

Hahaha... Problem when the sky looks the same as the ground

(25-Oct-2020, 06:49 PM)tkrek68 Wrote: I lost my orientation last year. see lol

Hope your quad came out unscathed and I can relate to what happened
While training as a pilot my instructor (which subsequently became twice world champion acrobatic sailplane flying) decided I was ready to learn exit from spins on a day with heavy snowfall.
Under tow I had to look sideways since in front of me I couldn't even see the tow.
He told me to close my eyes, fold my arms on my chest leaving the stick, he would enter a spin and then I had to get out.
Will never forget.

(25-Oct-2020, 06:49 PM)tkrek68 Wrote: Hi rjalex
I lost my orientation last year. see lol

LOLLLL I've done that once or twice.

One time flying LOS I did an ENORMOUS loop, but when I looked up to follow the quad, I realized it was right in the sun haha. The result was similar to your ;D

the wrong idea of fpv, what we realy do xD just need some crashes.

LOLOL too funny and too true Thanks

This video was (and still is) really helpful for me.  The Mr Steele portion begins at about the 3-minute mark.  Lots of good tips for practicing.