So its a "new" system entirely, meaning you have to get new vtx and goggles (no talk of vrx), probably camera, no hdmi input on the goggle.. Yeah, sounds familiar doesn't it..
At a minimum we are talking 600 bucks to start playing with it.. meh

HDZero's concept seems much more appealing and considerate to the hobby.

There's some speculation that this Walksnail FPV company is a shell company created by caddx. Look at the goggles on the main page? Looks very familiar.

https://walksnail.com/

(13-May-2022, 03:06 PM)ETX FPV Wrote: There's some speculation that this Walksnail FPV company is a shell company created by caddx. Look at the goggles on the main page? Looks very familiar.

https://walksnail.com/

Oh wow, nice catch! Looks like Fatshark is rebranding someone elses stuff like they did with HDZero?

They are the same 'organization'. Look here: https://www.trademarkia.com/corresponden...-1-1799956

So Fatshark Dominator = Walksnail. Walksnail = Caddx. Caddx Vista = DJI.

The chain is complete....

The VRX is built into the Goggles just like DJI. This *is* DJI gear just with a FatShark goggle case around it. Keep in mind that the 720p feed is ~21ms latency which is similar to DJI and the 1080p feed is ~40ms latency. So it's basically just DJI in disguise.

EDIT: Also, Teal who are also owned by Redcat use a lot of DJI hardware in their own products which are just rebranded as Teal products but developed by DJI.

(13-May-2022, 03:06 PM)ETX FPV Wrote: There's some speculation that this Walksnail FPV company is a shell company created by caddx. Look at the goggles on the main page? Looks very familiar.

https://walksnail.com/

Good find man. 

Stupid name...Walksnail. lol

Picture of the vtx from that website. 

(13-May-2022, 03:12 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: The VRX is built into the Goggles just like DJI. This *is* DJI gear just with a FatShark goggle case around it. Keep in mind that the 720p feed is ~21ms latency which is similar to DJI and the 1080p feed is ~40ms latency. So it's basically just DJI in disguise.

EDIT: Also, Teal who are also owned by Redcat use a lot of DJI hardware in their own products which are just rebranded as Teal products but developed by DJI.

That 21ms doesn't seem right though. Assuming they improved the transmission by 3-4ms from the old system, lets do some math since.

120fps | 1000ms / 120 = 8.333ms

They use 90hz screens, so the BEST update rate is 90fps.

90fps | 1000ms / 90 = 11.11ms - You've lost most of your gains right away, along with smoothness of the image. That assumes it actually has lower latency in the first place.

Since they are out of sync, you'll either get tearing or wait for the next frame to sync the frame adding latency, and variable latency at the goggle. 

For 60fps, it's worse. Since it's 90hz your update rate would be variable 45-60fps in worst/best case if you hold frames back to sync with the refresh rate, otherwise you'd get a lot tearing. Point is at BEST the latency they are showing is before the latency added by the goggles itself.

The panel mismatch can not be understated on how much it impacts the latency here. There is a reason on VR headsets half your frame rate to keep in sync if your FPS drops below the panel refresh rate.

Flywoo is selling the original Avatar goggles and vtx on pre-order:

https://flywoo.net/collections/new/produ...pv-goggles

https://flywoo.net/collections/new/produ...al-fpv-kit

Would anyone buy Dominator goggles from Fatshark when they know its just a rebranded Avatar?

Joke of the day: “The Fat Shark Dominator is back”

This sucks *hard* for HDZero. I'm curious to see if Foxeer is going to pivot away from them and to this thing.

Still, I'm really liking that HDZero whoop vtx so I'm likely not going to be jumping ship anytime soon unless this thing starts putting out lightweight VTXs. Then it's very likely I'll make the jump since the goggle form factor is exactly what I was looking for from the beginning. No more janky add-ons hanging off the front.

There's a lot of marketing hype and a lot of things being purposely hidden with this new "FatShark" system launch. I think we need to wait to see what real independent / trusted reviewers have to say about the system before we can draw any real conclusions, but it's 100% evident that this is just a white label system from DJI that has had the FatShark (and Walksnail) branding put around it.

The Greg French interview at the end of JB's video was just a complete cringe fest. You can tell that Greg was in complete discomfort at some of the questions being asked and wasn't sure how to respond, probably knowing full well that his boss at Recat would be scrutinising everything he said.

I think the takeaway here is that anyone who already owns the current DJI FPV System hardware probably has no real reason to swap over to this new "FatShark" (DJI) system at a cost of $600 for the goggles plus $159 for each VTX unless you really hate the form factor of the DJI FPV Goggles and/or really want the DisplayPort / Canvas Mode functionality. At >= 40ms the 1080p resolution is just too high of a latency to make it usable for FPV freestyle or racing, so that resolution is probably only good for cruising around in order to take in a full HD view of the landscape below. This means the "usable" resolution for freestyle is 720p which is the same as the current DJI FPV System. This "FatShark" (DJI) system might however be appealing to new pilots or pilots looking to move to digital who don't care about low / fixed latency. It still doesn't compete with HDZero on that factor.

To me the goggle depth front-to-back looks to be about the same as the DJI FPV Goggles. It is just the height which is smaller, and the fact that you don't look like an alien wearing them, but they still don't look particularly great IMO. That said, who cares when you are out having fun away from any other people where no-one other than your flying buddies (if you have some) sees you, and no-one is at a fashion show when they are flying FPV anyway

When the new DJI Avata FPV drone and new DJI Goggles 2 get released (see HERE) it will probably then be clear that the new "FatShark" offering is just using the same firmware and menu interface  We already see from the end of the JB's video that they gave away that connection with the DVR file names that the "FatShark" system is using.

I hope DJI release something new with proper panels. I'd consider switching, but since I really prefer 120fps which is still 720p in the new system (though I might consider 60fps for 1080p for some scenic flights), it isn't an upgrade. 20x20 naked stacks fit well in smaller builds as well, and having to replace current stacks for the same quality/frame-rate doesn't really make sense. Canvas would be really nice to have though.

Right now 90hz is a hard no as it's a major downgrade for low latency, and I can't see how it wouldn't cause major problems with 1080p@60 mode as well.

(13-May-2022, 05:03 PM)Recursion Wrote: I hope DJI release something new with proper panels. I'd consider switching, but since I really prefer 120fps (though I might consider 60fps for 1080p for some scenic flights), it isn't an upgrade. 20x20 naked stacks fit well in smaller builds as well. Canvas would be really nice to have though...

Right now 90hz is a hard no as it's a major downgrade for low latency, and I can't see how it wouldn't cause major problems with 1080p@60 mode as well.

Yes, the 90Hz screen is something that has been completely glossed over / ignored / hidden. Everyone who flies the DJI FPV System hates the 60fps cameras, so these system crippling 90Hz screens would almost be like going back to low image frame rate again that everyone complained about. Obviously all of the paid / sponsored reviewers are still going to say that the frame rate on this new "FatShark" (DJI) system is better than anything they have ever experienced on any current HD system 

Does it include crappy OSD support, like DJI,  at no extra cost?
I know, im a cynical bugger  

(13-May-2022, 04:29 PM)the.ronin Wrote: This sucks *hard* for HDZero.  I'm curious to see if Foxeer is going to pivot away from them and to this thing.

Still, I'm really liking that HDZero whoop vtx so I'm likely not going to be jumping ship anytime soon unless this thing starts putting out lightweight VTXs.  Then it's very likely I'll make the jump since the goggle form factor is exactly what I was looking for from the beginning.  No more janky add-ons hanging off the front.

I'm not really sure this changes much for HDzero, DJI always sort of existed as the opposite side of the spectrum. It's not really in DJI's best interested to try to make stuff very light or 1s or 2s capable since it doesn't fit with their intended market. HDzero will also continue to exist in a cheaper price bracket generally.

HDzero will still work better for racing as far as multiple quads in the sky and latency. I think we're in a good place having options here. (analog, hdzero, Fat Shark (DJI))

(13-May-2022, 03:10 PM)Recursion Wrote: Oh wow, nice catch! Looks like Fatshark is rebranding someone elses stuff like they did with HDZero?

They are the same 'organization'. Look here: https://www.trademarkia.com/corresponden...-1-1799956

So Fatshark Dominator = Walksnail. Walksnail = Caddx. Caddx Vista = DJI.

The chain is complete....

Yeah, and see if you can spot something that looks the same in the following two images...

This is the WalkSnail logo...



And this is the antenna that is currently sold with the Caddx Vista kit...





   

Good eye lol. Yeah that's on their newer releases since Polar. I guess they started making them for the new system which uses two, and decided to just use them for the old one as well. Just checked my newer Vistas and they have that logo on the antenna.