Posts: 349 Threads: 92 Likes Received: 224 in 127 posts Likes Given: 47 Joined: Mar 2019 Reputation: 12 Just a heads up that the FAA is out there enforcing the rules... According to this facebook post, the FAA showed up at an AMA field that does not yet have an exception for flying near an airport and was briefly shut down. So even though I strongly disagree with the state of our current regulations, I encourage everyone to fly safe and follow the rules and hopefully we can get the FAA to work with us to make the regulations a little bit more reasonable. Posts: 12,099 Threads: 125 Likes Received: 3,739 in 2,836 posts Likes Given: 99 Joined: Feb 2017 Reputation: 388 Thank you for the heads up. ![[-]](https://intofpv.com/images/collapse.png) • Posts: 1,013 Threads: 11 Likes Received: 452 in 349 posts Likes Given: 372 Joined: Dec 2017 Reputation: 16 Wow, that's in my neck of the woods. I've never flown there, not an AMA member, but sometimes stop by during my lunch hour to see what's flying. They have a normal airstrip and a separate drone field with a racetrack. • Posts: 863 Threads: 43 Likes Received: 286 in 202 posts Likes Given: 12 Joined: Nov 2018 Reputation: 5 Oh, fancy card. Wonder if he has a cool badge to match. Obviously saving countless lives with his due diligence. We applaud you "Special Agent" Bumberger....
Wonder if the fact it happened in California has anything to so with the overzealous enforcement....
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10" 6S FR10-G Long Range, 5" 6S Rooster, 5" 6S Badger, 5" 6S QAV-S, 5" 4S Badger, 5" 4S Phreakstyle Slam, 5" 6S Yema, 5" 4S Stark, 3" 4S Gecko, and a 3S 2.5" Tadpole, all of which are Crossfire. Tinyhawk, Tinyhawk S, and a DJI Spark. And projects on the bench....
• Posts: 3,533 Threads: 265 Likes Received: 2,610 in 1,545 posts Likes Given: 3,893 Joined: Feb 2018 Reputation: 78 02-Jul-2019, 01:18 PM (This post was last modified: 02-Jul-2019, 01:21 PM by Krohsis.) I think an AMA field will get a lot more attention due to the density of flying than Joe Blow out flying in a field by him/herself or even in a low use park. This is particularly true if the AMA field is in a controlled airspace. As for me, I don't get to fly if I'm not breaking at least one rule, LOS.....so I'm an outlaw I guess. But I'm sure I'm in good company, because most if not all of us on this forum are breaking some federal, state, or local law every time we fly. 
• Posts: 3,288 Threads: 129 Likes Received: 2,740 in 1,644 posts Likes Given: 2,969 Joined: Apr 2017 Reputation: 65 As this field is next to Sea World and almost within LOS of San Diego INTL, it sort of makes sense they would be a lightening rod for scrutiny/"enforcement". I have always wondered how they gained permission to fly so close to a major air hub. SoCal Kaity :D
OMG, no one told me it would be this much fun! Addicted :) • Posts: 349 Threads: 92 Likes Received: 224 in 127 posts Likes Given: 47 Joined: Mar 2019 Reputation: 12 (02-Jul-2019, 01:18 PM)Krohsis Wrote: As for me, I don't get to fly if I'm not breaking at least one rule, LOS.....so I'm an outlaw I guess. But I'm sure I'm in good company, because most if not all of us on this forum are breaking some federal, state, or local law every time we fly. It is possible to fly FPV without breaking the LOS rule if you have someone else along with you to be your spotter. Unfortunately a pet dog does not count. They are probably a much better spotter than anyone else I can think of  • Posts: 21,292 Threads: 589 Likes Received: 8,982 in 6,647 posts Likes Given: 1,426 Joined: Jun 2018 Reputation: 789 (02-Jul-2019, 01:54 PM)5zero7rc Wrote: It is possible to fly FPV without breaking the LOS rule if you have someone else along with you to be your spotter. Unfortunately a pet dog does not count. They are probably a much better spotter than anyone else I can think of But if you fly more than half a mile out (BVLOS) like the long rangers do, then having a spotter is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. This is what I don't really get about some of these rules. They may as well just say FPV is banned and be done with it. I guarantee that a majority of people flying any kind of FPV are doing so illegally, and I'm pretty sure that is the way people are going to continue. They will just take their chances. • Posts: 3,533 Threads: 265 Likes Received: 2,610 in 1,545 posts Likes Given: 3,893 Joined: Feb 2018 Reputation: 78 (02-Jul-2019, 01:54 PM)5zero7rc Wrote: It is possible to fly FPV without breaking the LOS rule if you have someone else along with you to be your spotter. Unfortunately a pet dog does not count. They are probably a much better spotter than anyone else I can think of Yeah, I'm familiar with the regulation. Trouble is, it would take a lot of people to fly a 8 miles out flight(my personal max so far, and even harder for those with wings at over 20 miles) and a logistical nightmare to stay in communication, and all for what? I don't believe there ever has been a significant safety issue arising out of FPV without a spotter. And there have been over thousands of those flights, possibly tens of thousands of flights. Yet, a guy can buy an ultralight and fly anywhere with less regs and no licensing. They can fly over population dense areas and around areas we are not to fly like over highways and bridges. And they average 80 fatalities a year. Usually the fatalities are the pilot alone, but there have been innocents killed as well. And the property damage outside of the aircraft from the crashes is high. How many fatalities have occurred from FPV without a spotter? I'm speculating, but I bet none, ever. My flying without a spotter garners the same fine and level of penalty as your flying Dan without a Ham license. And in the end, really neither should be that big of a deal. These are the kinds of things FPVFC should be battling the FAA on.
• Posts: 3,288 Threads: 129 Likes Received: 2,740 in 1,644 posts Likes Given: 2,969 Joined: Apr 2017 Reputation: 65 (02-Jul-2019, 02:49 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: But if you fly more than half a mile out (BVLOS) like the long rangers do, then having a spotter is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. This is what I don't really get about some of these rules. They may as well just say FPV is banned and be done with it. I guarantee that a majority of people flying any kind of FPV are doing so illegally, and I'm pretty sure that is the way people are going to continue. They will just take their chances. Ahhhh, but prove they could not see it! My partner has awesome vision! SoCal Kaity :D
OMG, no one told me it would be this much fun! Addicted :) Posts: 349 Threads: 92 Likes Received: 224 in 127 posts Likes Given: 47 Joined: Mar 2019 Reputation: 12 03-Jul-2019, 03:11 AM (This post was last modified: 03-Jul-2019, 03:12 AM by 5zero7rc.) (02-Jul-2019, 03:51 PM)Krohsis Wrote: My flying without a spotter garners the same fine and level of penalty as your flying Dan without a Ham license. And in the end, really neither should be that big of a deal. These are the kinds of things FPVFC should be battling the FAA on. No comment on the other regulations I may or may not be breaking on a regular basis, but I did just finish taking a HAM radio class. Just need to wait for the next test to be offered in my area and hopefully pass it
(03-Jul-2019, 12:55 AM)kaitylynn Wrote: Ahhhh, but prove they could not see it! My partner has awesome vision! Just fly at night. Put a bright light on your quad and I bet you can see that thing 10+ miles away. According to the latest video from the FAA, you can fly at night for recreational purposes as long as you are within line of sight. • Posts: 3,288 Threads: 129 Likes Received: 2,740 in 1,644 posts Likes Given: 2,969 Joined: Apr 2017 Reputation: 65 (03-Jul-2019, 03:11 AM)5zero7rc Wrote: No comment on the other regulations I may or may not be breaking on a regular basis, but I did just finish taking a HAM radio class. Just need to wait for the next test to be offered in my area and hopefully pass it
Just fly at night. Put a bright light on your quad and I bet you can see that thing 10+ miles away. According to the latest video from the FAA, you can fly at night for recreational purposes as long as you are within line of sight. I never break any rules. LOL on the night flying. That is the first thing my mind wandered on to is lit, night, LR! SoCal Kaity :D
OMG, no one told me it would be this much fun! Addicted :) • Posts: 3,533 Threads: 265 Likes Received: 2,610 in 1,545 posts Likes Given: 3,893 Joined: Feb 2018 Reputation: 78 (03-Jul-2019, 12:55 AM)kaitylynn Wrote: Ahhhh, but prove they could not see it! My partner has awesome vision! I like how you think, Kaity
• Posts: 3,533 Threads: 265 Likes Received: 2,610 in 1,545 posts Likes Given: 3,893 Joined: Feb 2018 Reputation: 78 (03-Jul-2019, 03:11 AM)5zero7rc Wrote: No comment on the other regulations I may or may not be breaking on a regular basis, but I did just finish taking a HAM radio class. Just need to wait for the next test to be offered in my area and hopefully pass it
See, soon you will be more legal and I will still be flying LR without a spotter.
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