Hey
I'm building a freestyle quad 5" for freestyle and 'cinematic'. What will be your best suggestion for a 5" frame for such a quad?
Currently, I have chosen the 'Ummagawd Remix v2'
Thanks

If I have to pick a high end frame, I would probably go with the Armattan Marmotte.

Low cost frame, TBS One Source.

(11-Apr-2020, 11:02 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: If I have to pick a high end frame, I would probably go with the Armattan Marmotte.

Low cost frame, TBS One Source.

Thanks
What about the Astro X Johnny Frame v2. Is that any good?

Looks like a great frame. Similar to a lot of freestyle frames. It is hard for me to spend that kind of money without a lifetime warranty.

I'm thinking Armattan Badger. The easily adjustable camera cage will help you switch from freestyle to cinematic.

I'm a huge fan of Ummagawd and have also looked at the Remix frame for just freestyle. A buddy of mine at a local drone shop warned me against it said it was way too fragile. By the looks of it, it certainly doesn't look at solid as an Armattan.

Generally though, I'd recommend focusing on one or the other - freestyle or cinematic.

(11-Apr-2020, 08:35 PM)the.ronin Wrote: I'm thinking Armattan Badger.  The easily adjustable camera cage will help you switch from freestyle to cinematic.

I'm a huge fan of Ummagawd and have also looked at the Remix frame for just freestyle.  A buddy of mine at a local drone shop warned me against it said it was way too fragile.  By the looks of it, it certainly doesn't look at solid as an Armattan.

Generally though, I'd recommend focusing on one or the other - freestyle or cinematic.

Cinematic is what i would focus on. 
For this you would say the Armattan one right?

I have several quads including a Badger and I agree, the adjustable camera cage in conjunction with the adjustable camera mount makes for a great variety of camera views. Combined with the lifetime frame warranty and the durability it is a winning combo.

Deal

Yeah I have the Marmotte frame and love it. You pay a premium but it pays off in the end

I have a DJI Marmotte 5” and it’s a great frame.

I had some FC bugs but now I’ve been putting 3-6+ packs a day through it I’d get another Armattan frame.
I am building a Transtec Freedom HD 5” and it’s okay but a Marmotte would have been a better choice and investment.Marmotte is bigger with more carbon fiber in mass but same weight.
Lifetime crash warranty on frame too.

Unfortunately the Armattan lifetime warranty has become less useful outside of the USA because shipping costs for the "free" replacement parts have now gone up to $25.

That really sucks Snow.

I also wanted to mention that now that I've relied on blackbox tuning pretty heavily, my Armattan frames have always shown to be problematic. In particular, the raw noise profiles of my Chameleon Ti and Badger (both 5 inch) were not very good. Try as I might, I just could not get rid of some very stubborn noise. It got to the point where I sold them both and, personally for me at least, will tend to steer away from Armattan despite their compelling warranty (which I've used twice).

(12-Oct-2020, 05:09 PM)the.ronin Wrote: I also wanted to mention that now that I've relied on blackbox tuning pretty heavily, my Armattan frames have always shown to be problematic.  In particular, the raw noise profiles of my Chameleon Ti and Badger (both 5 inch) were not very good.  Try as I might, I just could not get rid of some very stubborn noise.

This seems to back up what JB and others have found with apparent resonation in the Armattan frames (especially the Chameleon, Marmotte and Badger) but which some people rebuked and which JB ended up taking the videos down for after getting some backlash about them (the original thread is HERE). I was set on getting a Badger but that issue swayed me away from one, and with the $25 shipping costs for any replacement parts it seemed a better investment to just get a cheaper frame with some spare arms which together cost less than half the price of a Badger.

I remember that. I also remember JB's response.

To me, I suspected that the sandwich style arm securing approach was far superior to Armattan's approach of just using countersunk nuts to secure the arms. It was the only big difference to my Apex frame which, despite having a lot more moving parts to invite noise, had a pristine raw noise profile. So I went and got the T-Motor FT5 and Speedy Bee F255 frames to replace the Chameleon Ti and Badger. Both of these frames make use of the sandwich approach to secure the arms. Both also have very clean raw noise profiles. So I have since only opted for freestyle frames that make use of this sandwich approach.

[edit] I should clarify that the Chameleon Ti is a solid body so the arms are part of the bottom plate. I'm not sure why there was so much noise on this frame but I suspect solid bodies had always resonated noise. Just with more powerful quads these days maybe that noise is amplified on solid bodies. I generally avoid them now unless it's for a micro build.

Just an FYI. I just warrantied some arms for my Rooster and Armattan notified me that they have partnered with PyroDrone for the US. I combined my warranty order with some other purchases to get free shipping. They also arrived much quicker than previous claims. I'm a big fan of the Armattan frames. They hold up better for me than many others. My other frames seem to always be waiting for replacement carbon parts.

Just checking in to warn anyone who might be considering a Phreakstyle frame - I wouldn't go for it.

I got the Bardwell Xilo DIY build from GetFPV and after two crashes on grass, an arm broke. Went online to buy a new arm and they're all backordered. To make matters worse it looks like GetFPV is the only one selling the Phreakstyle frame/parts so it's either wait until they happen to have arms or buy a whole new frame.

I have a Chameleon TI build that I've been afraid to fly since it cost me an arm and a leg and I wanted to wait until my skills improved a bit, but I never realized they have a warranty. Now that I know about it I might fly it

How is the Apex frame? I'm planning my next build that I want to get part-by-part over the winter, and three of my favorite FPV'ers swear by that frame, but they all fly KISS. So I'm debating an Apex frame and also debating giving KISS a try. Again, this is after winter so I'm thinking WAY ahead.