Whats the weight on the HDO2?

(29-Oct-2019, 09:54 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: At the moment, unless the HDO2's are going to be $50-100 cheaper than the ORQA's then I say the ORQA's are still the better option because they appear to have the same specs, but at least the ORQA's have a decent DVR. The HDO2's do have adjustable focus which could be a benefit for those who need a focus that is somewhere in between what the off-the-shelf -2, -4 and -6 diopters offer, but for me that is of less value than a decent DVR.

Having spent $450 just 15 months ago on the HDO's, I'm not sure I would jump in so soon with another big goggle spend. If FatShark had a trade-in option then it might possibly tempt me.

Looking forward to seeing the HDO2 vs ORQA head-to-head test reviews

@Oscar - You need to update your FOV tool to include the HDO2's  https://oscarliang.com/js/fpvgogglefov.html

I share your sentiments and am very happy with the HDO's after all anyway...

With the way things currently stand and are shaping-up, my next pair of goggles will be ORQA's if they come off the assembly line as nice as they look so far.  Save for any design or other corporate catastrophe, I honestly don't think Fatshark can keep-up with ORQA at this point if their product hits the market to critical acclaim and there's no significant issues.   I think the only reason Fatshark is all of a sudden doing switchable aspect ration, higher res OLEDs, etc., etc., is because they are being forced to by competition.  Not a good look on Fatshark but in the meantime, the HDO's are Cadillac.

Just seen on the ORQA Members Lounge Facebook page that ORQA are accusing FatShark of copying some of their stuff with Ivan openly stating that it will "be a very public matter very soon".

There never ceases to be any drama in the FPV community

EDIT: Added screenshot of Ivan's Facebook post below...

Here's a prediction. Fatshark becomes the FrSky of the goggle space?

I don't know what I did wrong, i think Fatshark removed me from their reviewer's list

And they just asked me to take down my post on the HDO2 because they wasn't planning to release info about it until tomorrow. But I didn't have an NDA with them as I didn't get the info directly from them, so I don't feel obliged to remove the post. Weird one!

(29-Oct-2019, 11:51 PM)Oscar Wrote: I don't know what I did wrong, Fatshark removed me from their reviewer's list

They just asked me to take down my post on the HDO2 because they didn't plan to release any info about it until tomorrow. But I didn't have a NDA with them as I didn't get a sample, not even any info about it directly from them, so I don't feel obliged to remove the post.

If they were careless enough to let the manual be leaked then they can't start crying wolf. If you didn't put up the information then someone else would have done. At least you published it all in a well presented manner. They should be grateful that you did such a good job of publicising their new product. But instead of that they start throwing their toys out of their pram. 

I've always been an avid supporter of FatShark but if they start this sort of nonsense then they are going to lose their followers much like FrSky have/are.

I think you should leave the article up. If you're already off their reviewers list now you've got nothing to lose.

TBH, I think ORQAs are the way forward anyway. They've got way more nice-to-have features and other connectivity options without all the years of old baggage that just seems to get carried over from the previous model to the next. When I get bored of my HDO's I will very likely get a set of ORQAs.

It's not the first time you know, the same happened with the HDO back in 2018. Guess they just upload the manual days before the release and someone guessed the link LOL
Just realized Fatshark's old marketing person left the job last year, probably why I lost contact with them.

Anyway, back to the goggles, to me it just feels like a rushed product, perhaps a desperate answer to the SKY03O and ORQA, and getting ready for Christmas shopping season? Doesn't even have a built-in OSD menu. But the adjustable focus and Fit Faceplate are nice additions.

(29-Oct-2019, 11:51 PM)Oscar Wrote: I don't know what I did wrong, i think Fatshark removed me from their reviewer's list

And they just asked me to take down my post on the HDO2 because they wasn't planning to release info about it until tomorrow. But I didn't have an NDA with them as I didn't get the info directly from them, so I don't feel obliged to remove the post. Weird one!

You got kicked off the list because of your glowing review of the Skyzone.

It's really nice to see the really nice things being said about Orqa in this thread!  It gives me hope that I haven't made a bad move in grabbing the Orqa's as quickly as I did.  I can't tell you how excited I am (not to mention how much time I have spent worrying over every bit of new DJI/FatShark news that has hit the airwaves since Orqa's KickStarter campaign)...

(30-Oct-2019, 12:22 AM)Oscar Wrote: It's not the first time you know, the same happened with the HDO back in 2018. Guess they just upload the manual days before the release and someone guessed the link LOL
Just realized Fatshark's old marketing person left the job last year, probably why I lost contact with them.

Anyway, back to the goggles, to me it just feels like a rushed product, perhaps a desperate answer to the SKY03O and ORQA, and getting ready for Christmas shopping season? Doesn't even have a built-in OSD menu. But the adjustable focus and Fit Faceplate are nice additions.

Just like the Byte Frost rushed out to the market to compete with DJI..

(30-Oct-2019, 08:17 AM)sloscotty Wrote: It's really nice to see the really nice things being said about Orqa in this thread!  It gives me hope that I haven't made a bad move in grabbing the Orqa's as quickly as I did.  I can't tell you how excited I am (not to mention how much time I have spent worrying over every bit of new DJI/FatShark news that has hit the airwaves since Orqa's KickStarter campaign)...

Yes I agree. At first HDO2 seemed really nice with the adjustable focus but other than that the ORQAs have way more features. My biggest gripe is that the wait is so long.. Winter is here in Sweden so almost no flying now. But I still feel that it is worth the wait and it feels like they have sorted out all the bugs so that is good.

(29-Oct-2019, 11:32 PM)ProppedCodger Wrote: Here's a prediction.  Fatshark becomes the FrSky of the goggle space?

Why is that? I'm new to the community so I don't understand what is the problem with FrSky company?

(30-Oct-2019, 08:29 AM)Andreas-sa Wrote: Yes I agree. At first HDO2 seemed really nice with the adjustable focus but other than that the ORQAs have way more features. My biggest gripe is that the wait is so long.. Winter is here in Sweden so almost no flying now. But I still feel that it is worth the wait and it feels like they have sorted out all the bugs so that is good.

Yep, worth the wait (but agree - tooooo long)!  As far as adjustable focus goes, the Orqa's originally had that, but they made a strategic decision that it "wasn't worth it" due to complexity, size, and being insufficient to make a real difference.  (I had the EV100's and the adjustable focus on those was not enough for my eyes.)  The fact that FatShark decided to include it might come back to bite them...(hmm, how does a killer whale actually kill a shark?)

(30-Oct-2019, 08:39 AM)ssaakkaa Wrote: Why is that? I'm new to the community so I don't understand what is the problem with FrSky company?

FrSky can attribute a lot of their success to OpenTX - an open source piece of software for your transmitter.

Recently though, they've been engaging in some very shady practices. They tried to squeeze Jumper out of the market when they started using OpenTX in their radios (again, OpenTX is open source - no one owns it, and certainly no-one can stop other people from using it).

They've also been pushing their new protocol - ACCESS - which offers few benefits to consumers, but stops third parties from making compatible radios. It also breaks some of their existing protocols, such as D8, which is commonly used in smaller quads like Whoops, and R9, their long range system.

In summary: having gone from being the up-and-coming small dog in the market who people were happy to see succeed, they became big and started punching everyone else coming up the ladder and then began kicking their own customers in their spare time.

Well, that sucks. I got the impression that in the FPV community everything or at least most of it is open source and I'm rooting for that. So I hope that FatShark doesn't go in that direction because they have a good reputation in the community in my opinion. My next big purchase will be goggles and now I don't know what is going to be Orqa or hdo2. Maybe I want to wait for comparison or something but Orqa is product by my fellow citizens so I want to support some FatShark competition to be more interesting on the market :')