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vortex pro 250
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Hi folks and thanks in advance. I've never tuned a quad before so I'm very interested in learning anything I can. I see that the graphs at the bottom look VERY noisy compared to what I see online so I assume it's not working well.

Vortex Pro 250, Stock setup, DAL T5046, 2204-2300kv, 4s, Mobius in 3d printed 30 deg. holder.

2000ft altitude, approx 80f

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXjiIeC3...e=youtu.be

Log:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzOM6x...25yNjd3V1k

Config:
Code:
Entering CLI Mode, type 'exit' to return, or 'help'

# dump

# version
# BetaFlight/IRCFUSIONF3 2.3.5 Feb  2 2016 / 22:58:50 (e973bb1)
# dump master

# mixer
mixer QUADX
mmix reset
smix reset


# feature
feature -RX_PPM
feature -VBAT
feature -INFLIGHT_ACC_CAL
feature -RX_SERIAL
feature -MOTOR_STOP
feature -SERVO_TILT
feature -SOFTSERIAL
feature -GPS
feature -FAILSAFE
feature -SONAR
feature -TELEMETRY
feature -CURRENT_METER
feature -3D
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature -RX_MSP
feature -RSSI_ADC
feature -LED_STRIP
feature -DISPLAY
feature -ONESHOT125
feature -BLACKBOX
feature -CHANNEL_FORWARDING
feature RX_PPM
feature GPS
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX


# map
map AETR1234


# serial
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 2 115200 38400 0 115200
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200


# led
led 0 15,15:ES:IA:0
led 1 15,8:E:WF:0
led 2 15,7:E:WF:0
led 3 15,0:NE:IA:0
led 4 8,0:N:F:0
led 5 7,0:N:F:0
led 6 0,0:NW:IA:0
led 7 0,7:W:WF:0
led 8 0,8:W:WF:0
led 9 0,15:SW:IA:0
led 10 7,15:S:WF:0
led 11 8,15:S:WF:0
led 12 7,7:U:WF:0
led 13 8,7:U:WF:0
led 14 7,8:D:WF:0
led 15 8,8:D:WF:0
led 16 8,9::R:3
led 17 9,10::R:3
led 18 10,11::R:3
led 19 10,12::R:3
led 20 9,13::R:3
led 21 8,14::R:3
led 22 7,14::R:3
led 23 6,13::R:3
led 24 5,12::R:3
led 25 5,11::R:3
led 26 6,10::R:3
led 27 7,9::R:3
led 28 0,0:::0
led 29 0,0:::0
led 30 0,0:::0
led 31 0,0:::0


# color
color 0 0,0,0
color 1 0,255,255
color 2 0,0,255
color 3 30,0,255
color 4 60,0,255
color 5 90,0,255
color 6 120,0,255
color 7 150,0,255
color 8 180,0,255
color 9 210,0,255
color 10 240,0,255
color 11 270,0,255
color 12 300,0,255
color 13 330,0,255
color 14 0,0,0
color 15 0,0,0

set emf_avoidance = OFF
set mid_rc = 1500
set min_check = 1100
set max_check = 1900
set rssi_channel = 8
set rssi_scale = 30
set rssi_ppm_invert = OFF
set input_filtering_mode = OFF
set rc_smoothing = OFF
set roll_yaw_cam_mix_degrees = 0
set min_throttle = 1100
set max_throttle = 1900
set min_command = 1015
set servo_center_pulse = 1500
set 3d_deadband_low = 1406
set 3d_deadband_high = 1514
set 3d_neutral = 1460
set 3d_deadband_throttle = 50
set enable_fast_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_rate = 400
set servo_pwm_rate = 50
set disarm_kill_switch = ON
set auto_disarm_delay = 5
set small_angle = 25
set fixedwing_althold_dir = 1
set reboot_character = 82
set gps_provider = NMEA
set gps_sbas_mode = AUTO
set gps_auto_config = ON
set gps_auto_baud = OFF
set serialrx_provider = SBUS
set spektrum_sat_bind = 0
set telemetry_switch = OFF
set telemetry_inversion = ON
set frsky_default_lattitude =  0.000
set frsky_default_longitude =  0.000
set frsky_coordinates_format = 0
set frsky_unit = IMPERIAL
set frsky_vfas_precision = 0
set hott_alarm_sound_interval = 5
set battery_capacity = 0
set vbat_scale = 110
set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 40
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 30
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 30
set current_meter_scale = 0
set current_meter_offset = 0
set multiwii_current_meter_output = OFF
set current_meter_type = ADC
set align_gyro = DEFAULT
set align_acc = DEFAULT
set align_mag = DEFAULT
set align_board_roll = 0
set align_board_pitch = 0
set align_board_yaw = 90
set max_angle_inclination = 700
set gyro_lpf = OFF
set moron_threshold = 32
set imu_dcm_kp = 2500
set imu_dcm_ki = 0
set yaw_control_direction = 1
set yaw_motor_direction = 1
set yaw_jump_prevention_limit = 200
set tri_unarmed_servo = ON
set servo_lowpass_freq = 400
set servo_lowpass_enable = OFF
set failsafe_delay = 10
set failsafe_off_delay = 0
set failsafe_throttle = 1100
set failsafe_kill_switch = OFF
set failsafe_throttle_low_delay = 100
set rx_min_usec = 885
set rx_max_usec = 2115
set acc_hardware = 0
set baro_hardware = 0
set mag_hardware = 0
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 2
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set beeper_off_flags = 0
set magzero_x = 0
set magzero_y = 0
set magzero_z = 0

# rxfail
rxfail 0 a
rxfail 1 a
rxfail 2 a
rxfail 3 a
rxfail 4 h
rxfail 5 h
rxfail 6 h
rxfail 7 h
rxfail 8 h
rxfail 9 h
rxfail 10 h
rxfail 11 h
rxfail 12 h
rxfail 13 h
rxfail 14 h
rxfail 15 h
rxfail 16 h
rxfail 17 h

# dump profile

# profile
profile 0

# aux
aux 0 0 2 1300 1700
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 900 1300
aux 3 27 0 1700 2100
aux 4 25 1 1300 2100
aux 5 0 0 900 900
aux 6 0 0 900 900
aux 7 0 0 900 900
aux 8 0 0 900 900
aux 9 0 0 900 900
aux 10 0 0 900 900
aux 11 0 0 900 900
aux 12 0 0 900 900
aux 13 0 0 900 900
aux 14 0 0 900 900
aux 15 0 0 900 900
aux 16 0 0 900 900
aux 17 0 0 900 900
aux 18 0 0 900 900
aux 19 0 0 900 900

# adjrange
adjrange 0 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 1 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 2 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 3 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 4 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 5 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 6 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 7 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 8 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 9 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 10 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 11 0 0 900 900 0 0

# rxrange
rxrange 0 991 2015
rxrange 1 991 2015
rxrange 2 991 2016
rxrange 3 991 2014

# servo
servo 0 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 1 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 2 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 3 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 4 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 5 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 6 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 7 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1

set gps_pos_p = 0
set gps_pos_i = 0
set gps_pos_d = 0
set gps_posr_p = 0
set gps_posr_i = 0
set gps_posr_d = 0
set gps_nav_p = 0
set gps_nav_i = 0
set gps_nav_d = 0
set gps_wp_radius = 200
set nav_controls_heading = ON
set nav_speed_min = 100
set nav_speed_max = 300
set nav_slew_rate = 30
set gtune_loP_rll = 10
set gtune_loP_ptch = 10
set gtune_loP_yw = 10
set gtune_hiP_rll = 100
set gtune_hiP_ptch = 100
set gtune_hiP_yw = 100
set gtune_pwr = 0
set gtune_settle_time = 450
set gtune_average_cycles = 16
set alt_hold_deadband = 40
set alt_hold_fast_change = ON
set deadband = 6
set yaw_deadband = 6
set throttle_correction_value = 0
set throttle_correction_angle = 800
set default_rate_profile = 0
set gimbal_mode = NORMAL
set acc_lpf_hz = 20
set accxy_deadband = 40
set accz_deadband = 40
set accz_lpf_cutoff =  5.000
set acc_unarmedcal = ON
set acc_trim_pitch = 0
set acc_trim_roll = 0
set baro_tab_size = 21
set baro_noise_lpf =  0.600
set baro_cf_vel =  0.985
set baro_cf_alt =  0.965
set mag_declination = 0
set delta_from_gyro = ON
set pid_controller = MWREWRITE
set p_pitch = 100
set i_pitch = 35
set d_pitch = 81
set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 23
set d_roll = 57
set p_yaw = 109
set i_yaw = 70
set d_yaw = 38
set p_pitchf =  1.500
set i_pitchf =  0.400
set d_pitchf =  0.010
set p_rollf =  1.100
set i_rollf =  0.400
set d_rollf =  0.010
set p_yawf =  4.000
set i_yawf =  0.400
set d_yawf =  0.000
set level_horizon =  6.000
set level_angle =  6.000
set sensitivity_horizon = 75
set p_alt = 50
set i_alt = 0
set d_alt = 0
set p_level = 20
set i_level = 100
set d_level = 150
set p_vel = 120
set i_vel = 45
set d_vel = 2
set soft_gyro_lpf_hz = 60
set dterm_lpf_hz = 0
set acro_plus_factor = 0

# dump rates

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 100
set rc_expo = 70
set rc_yaw_expo = 50
set thr_mid = 0
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_rate = 73
set pitch_rate = 73
set yaw_rate = 100
set tpa_rate = 33
set tpa_breakpoint = 0
Entering CLI Mode, type 'exit' to return, or 'help'

# dump

# version
# BetaFlight/IRCFUSIONF3 2.3.5 Feb  2 2016 / 22:58:50 (e973bb1)
# dump master

# mixer
mixer QUADX
mmix reset
smix reset


# feature
feature -RX_PPM
feature -VBAT
feature -INFLIGHT_ACC_CAL
feature -RX_SERIAL
feature -MOTOR_STOP
feature -SERVO_TILT
feature -SOFTSERIAL
feature -GPS
feature -FAILSAFE
feature -SONAR
feature -TELEMETRY
feature -CURRENT_METER
feature -3D
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature -RX_MSP
feature -RSSI_ADC
feature -LED_STRIP
feature -DISPLAY
feature -ONESHOT125
feature -BLACKBOX
feature -CHANNEL_FORWARDING
feature RX_PPM
feature GPS
feature FAILSAFE
feature ONESHOT125
feature BLACKBOX


# map
map AETR1234


# serial
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 2 115200 38400 0 115200
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200


# led
led 0 15,15:ES:IA:0
led 1 15,8:E:WF:0
led 2 15,7:E:WF:0
led 3 15,0:NE:IA:0
led 4 8,0:N:F:0
led 5 7,0:N:F:0
led 6 0,0:NW:IA:0
led 7 0,7:W:WF:0
led 8 0,8:W:WF:0
led 9 0,15:SW:IA:0
led 10 7,15:S:WF:0
led 11 8,15:S:WF:0
led 12 7,7:U:WF:0
led 13 8,7:U:WF:0
led 14 7,8:D:WF:0
led 15 8,8:D:WF:0
led 16 8,9::R:3
led 17 9,10::R:3
led 18 10,11::R:3
led 19 10,12::R:3
led 20 9,13::R:3
led 21 8,14::R:3
led 22 7,14::R:3
led 23 6,13::R:3
led 24 5,12::R:3
led 25 5,11::R:3
led 26 6,10::R:3
led 27 7,9::R:3
led 28 0,0:::0
led 29 0,0:::0
led 30 0,0:::0
led 31 0,0:::0


# color
color 0 0,0,0
color 1 0,255,255
color 2 0,0,255
color 3 30,0,255
color 4 60,0,255
color 5 90,0,255
color 6 120,0,255
color 7 150,0,255
color 8 180,0,255
color 9 210,0,255
color 10 240,0,255
color 11 270,0,255
color 12 300,0,255
color 13 330,0,255
color 14 0,0,0
color 15 0,0,0

set emf_avoidance = OFF
set mid_rc = 1500
set min_check = 1100
set max_check = 1900
set rssi_channel = 8
set rssi_scale = 30
set rssi_ppm_invert = OFF
set input_filtering_mode = OFF
set rc_smoothing = OFF
set roll_yaw_cam_mix_degrees = 0
set min_throttle = 1100
set max_throttle = 1900
set min_command = 1015
set servo_center_pulse = 1500
set 3d_deadband_low = 1406
set 3d_deadband_high = 1514
set 3d_neutral = 1460
set 3d_deadband_throttle = 50
set enable_fast_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_rate = 400
set servo_pwm_rate = 50
set disarm_kill_switch = ON
set auto_disarm_delay = 5
set small_angle = 25
set fixedwing_althold_dir = 1
set reboot_character = 82
set gps_provider = NMEA
set gps_sbas_mode = AUTO
set gps_auto_config = ON
set gps_auto_baud = OFF
set serialrx_provider = SBUS
set spektrum_sat_bind = 0
set telemetry_switch = OFF
set telemetry_inversion = ON
set frsky_default_lattitude =  0.000
set frsky_default_longitude =  0.000
set frsky_coordinates_format = 0
set frsky_unit = IMPERIAL
set frsky_vfas_precision = 0
set hott_alarm_sound_interval = 5
set battery_capacity = 0
set vbat_scale = 110
set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 40
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 30
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 30
set current_meter_scale = 0
set current_meter_offset = 0
set multiwii_current_meter_output = OFF
set current_meter_type = ADC
set align_gyro = DEFAULT
set align_acc = DEFAULT
set align_mag = DEFAULT
set align_board_roll = 0
set align_board_pitch = 0
set align_board_yaw = 90
set max_angle_inclination = 700
set gyro_lpf = OFF
set moron_threshold = 32
set imu_dcm_kp = 2500
set imu_dcm_ki = 0
set yaw_control_direction = 1
set yaw_motor_direction = 1
set yaw_jump_prevention_limit = 200
set tri_unarmed_servo = ON
set servo_lowpass_freq = 400
set servo_lowpass_enable = OFF
set failsafe_delay = 10
set failsafe_off_delay = 0
set failsafe_throttle = 1100
set failsafe_kill_switch = OFF
set failsafe_throttle_low_delay = 100
set rx_min_usec = 885
set rx_max_usec = 2115
set acc_hardware = 0
set baro_hardware = 0
set mag_hardware = 0
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 2
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set beeper_off_flags = 0
set magzero_x = 0
set magzero_y = 0
set magzero_z = 0

# rxfail
rxfail 0 a
rxfail 1 a
rxfail 2 a
rxfail 3 a
rxfail 4 h
rxfail 5 h
rxfail 6 h
rxfail 7 h
rxfail 8 h
rxfail 9 h
rxfail 10 h
rxfail 11 h
rxfail 12 h
rxfail 13 h
rxfail 14 h
rxfail 15 h
rxfail 16 h
rxfail 17 h

# dump profile

# profile
profile 0

# aux
aux 0 0 2 1300 1700
aux 1 1 0 1300 1700
aux 2 2 0 900 1300
aux 3 27 0 1700 2100
aux 4 25 1 1300 2100
aux 5 0 0 900 900
aux 6 0 0 900 900
aux 7 0 0 900 900
aux 8 0 0 900 900
aux 9 0 0 900 900
aux 10 0 0 900 900
aux 11 0 0 900 900
aux 12 0 0 900 900
aux 13 0 0 900 900
aux 14 0 0 900 900
aux 15 0 0 900 900
aux 16 0 0 900 900
aux 17 0 0 900 900
aux 18 0 0 900 900
aux 19 0 0 900 900

# adjrange
adjrange 0 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 1 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 2 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 3 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 4 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 5 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 6 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 7 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 8 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 9 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 10 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 11 0 0 900 900 0 0

# rxrange
rxrange 0 991 2015
rxrange 1 991 2015
rxrange 2 991 2016
rxrange 3 991 2014

# servo
servo 0 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 1 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 2 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 3 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 4 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 5 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 6 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1
servo 7 1000 2000 1500 90 90 100 -1

set gps_pos_p = 0
set gps_pos_i = 0
set gps_pos_d = 0
set gps_posr_p = 0
set gps_posr_i = 0
set gps_posr_d = 0
set gps_nav_p = 0
set gps_nav_i = 0
set gps_nav_d = 0
set gps_wp_radius = 200
set nav_controls_heading = ON
set nav_speed_min = 100
set nav_speed_max = 300
set nav_slew_rate = 30
set gtune_loP_rll = 10
set gtune_loP_ptch = 10
set gtune_loP_yw = 10
set gtune_hiP_rll = 100
set gtune_hiP_ptch = 100
set gtune_hiP_yw = 100
set gtune_pwr = 0
set gtune_settle_time = 450
set gtune_average_cycles = 16
set alt_hold_deadband = 40
set alt_hold_fast_change = ON
set deadband = 6
set yaw_deadband = 6
set throttle_correction_value = 0
set throttle_correction_angle = 800
set default_rate_profile = 0
set gimbal_mode = NORMAL
set acc_lpf_hz = 20
set accxy_deadband = 40
set accz_deadband = 40
set accz_lpf_cutoff =  5.000
set acc_unarmedcal = ON
set acc_trim_pitch = 0
set acc_trim_roll = 0
set baro_tab_size = 21
set baro_noise_lpf =  0.600
set baro_cf_vel =  0.985
set baro_cf_alt =  0.965
set mag_declination = 0
set delta_from_gyro = ON
set pid_controller = MWREWRITE
set p_pitch = 100
set i_pitch = 35
set d_pitch = 81
set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 23
set d_roll = 57
set p_yaw = 109
set i_yaw = 70
set d_yaw = 38
set p_pitchf =  1.500
set i_pitchf =  0.400
set d_pitchf =  0.010
set p_rollf =  1.100
set i_rollf =  0.400
set d_rollf =  0.010
set p_yawf =  4.000
set i_yawf =  0.400
set d_yawf =  0.000
set level_horizon =  6.000
set level_angle =  6.000
set sensitivity_horizon = 75
set p_alt = 50
set i_alt = 0
set d_alt = 0
set p_level = 20
set i_level = 100
set d_level = 150
set p_vel = 120
set i_vel = 45
set d_vel = 2
set soft_gyro_lpf_hz = 60
set dterm_lpf_hz = 0
set acro_plus_factor = 0

# dump rates

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 100
set rc_expo = 70
set rc_yaw_expo = 50
set thr_mid = 0
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_rate = 73
set pitch_rate = 73
set yaw_rate = 100
set tpa_rate = 33
set tpa_breakpoint = 0

What else can I need to give you guys?
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#2
Ok, I updated the BB log link in case it didn't work before.

Am I doing something wrong? Anything else I can do to get help? I'm willing to donate or something if that helps. Just looking for some pointers on which way to start with tuning.
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#3
Not sure why you set D so high Smile I personally like to have as low D as possbile, i only use what it takes to smooth out overshoots when doing flips and rolls.
If you are still getting D noise, consider adding set dterm_lpf_hz = 60, but if you can get away with it it's better to leave it turn off.

set p_pitch = 80
set i_pitch = 40
set d_pitch = 30

set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 35
set d_roll = 15

set p_yaw = 109
set i_yaw = 70
set d_yaw = 10

Try that and let us know Smile
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#4
First off, I would probably update to betaflight 3.0.0 before starting to tune. It should fly very good on the stock pids. Do a Blackbox log and see if it improves anything.

Have you read the betaflight description on how to tune your PIDs?
https://github.com/betaflight/betaflight...ning-Guide

Also, have a look at Joshua Bardwells tuning videos on YouTube as well as skitzos video
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=l_uWVs6WFQ0

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Bmj3YwF2JiI
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#5
Oscar,

Thanks for the PIDs, they didn't work very well. Quad actually lost control and fell to the ground at one point Sad

You can see how it did in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66gMqgn-...e=youtu.be

At around the 3:00 mark I start changing the PIDs, then you can see the test flight. After that I reset the "Pro-Tune" and messed with the roll PID a bit. Can you tell me if it looks like I'm headed in the right direction with those PID changes? Things started feeling better once I'd changed the P a bit. How low should I set everything then start raising it up?

Thanks!

- Eli

p.s. I love your blog etc. What's the best way to support you?
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#6
Oyvinla: this is a vortex pro 250 so I'm sticking with the "supported" firmware for a moment on this quad. I've got another with some weird issue that I'm trying to work out that I updated to 3.0.0. Once I get that one working well I will upgrade this one. I need to have at least one working decently! Smile
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#7
(12-Oct-2016, 06:18 AM)elib100 Wrote: Oyvinla: this is a vortex pro 250 so I'm sticking with the "supported" firmware for a moment on this quad. I've got another with some weird issue that I'm trying to work out that I updated to 3.0.0. Once I get that one working well I will upgrade this one. I need to have at least one working decently! Smile

Yeah, I totally agree! That is why it is nice to have multiple quads so you can mess around with one of them and still be able to go out and fly with the second one Smile
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