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Troubleshooting A Non Spinning Motor
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As typically happens in FPV, I'm neck deep in some serious blackbox PID tuning ... and a motor goes out completely halting my process in its tracks.  I thought it might be interesting (at the risk of embarrassing myself for not finding a solution lol) to document how I intend to go about fixing the issue.

The facts:

*  I was following UAV Tech's PID Tuning Principals which necessitates inhibiting much of the Betaflight failsafes such as opening up PID_Sum_limits.  This could cause a motor to overheat and get damaged but I was careful to check motor temps each time.

*  The problem manifested on the first flight today with motor #3 at first having a hard time spinning up.  First arm resulted in a flip.  After some tries, I was able to fly fine and actually do some PID tuning.  Three or so flights later, #3 really started to act up twitching mid-flight and ultimately crashing the quad.  Thereafter it would only twitch intermittently on arm.

* Mechanically, I do notice that #3 is a tad less notchy (these are iFlight motors which horrendously notchy) than the other 3.  Mounting and prop screws are not touching windings.  Windings themselves look clean.  Otherwise the motor shows no physical signs of damage.  I do not see any shorts and all exposed terminals have been thoroughly conformal coated.

The plan:


1) Check continuity of iFlight SucceX 4-in-1 ESCs for both + and - at each ESC pad.

2)  If #1 shows no continuity, check if it is a software issue:

2a)  Run ESCs back at default 24khz in BLHeli.

2b)  Remap motors to default X configuration rather than custom dead cat mapping.

2c)  Check if RPM filtering load is effecting motor.

3)  If software is fine, check mechanical:

3a)  Swap motor #1 (works fine) with #3 position.

3b)  Swap ESC.  Luckily (?) I had destroyed the FC earlier so I was forced to get a new stack so I actually have an brand new ESC of the exact same kind.  I am so. lucky.  LOL

I am hoping at some point in this plan I can isolate the problem.  At best, it's a software issue which requires no additional $$s to fix.  At worst, it's a hardware issue where I need to replace the ESC or motor.

Ok wish me luck lol.    Big Grin
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#2
Well that was easy lol. 2 of the 3 pads on motor # are showing continuity. Here is a Bardwell showing how this is done its a great quick and easy test to have in your toolbox.



I guess this is good since I already have a spare and I won't have to replace a motor? Still, all this is telling me is the ESC #3 is likely bad. But it could be that my motor is bad too. So I plan to swap 3 and 1 and just make sure 3 still spins in the #1 position. Note I cannot swap with just any other motor since this is a dead cat configuration and in addition to my main stack being in the rear, the motor wires are very different front vs back.

Ok wish me luck lol. Big Grin
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#3
if you pull the three motorwires together, it will need more force by hand to spin the motor. to do simply diagnostics in the field, a motor would be harder to spin if the esc is bad.
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Ok good news is the motor is still good. The prior #3 motor spins just fine in the #1 position. And the #1 motor no longer spins in the #3 position.

What's worrisome is I'm not sure how this ESC burnt out. I will have to go back and make sure that I didn't do anything stupid but I don't think I did.
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#5
Dodgy iFlight electronics. That is how. Their FC design and QC seems to be getting worse as time goes on.
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I was really hoping that wasn't so Snow but I suspect that is the case. Would you throw Diatone, GEPRC ... all these Shenzen outfits that popped up after TBS, ImmersionRC, Fat Shark ... would you lump them all together? I ask because I personally tend to see very similar high churn / high burn business models from these guys and it is not cool.
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#7
I don't know, but we seem to see more iFlight issues on here (admittedly more so to do with their FCs and the crap design / QC of them) than stuff from other manufacturers. But maybe that is because more people tend to buy them than anything else. JB swears by them and he thinks that iFlight FCs are the best thing since sliced bread. Unfortunately I don't share his views, but he probably gets as many free FCs as he wants from iFlight anyway so maybe that is why Whistling
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