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Tips for beginners -> How to fly
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Guys, 

This is just a tip, that may help those who are starting or about to start and are not sure how. This is a set of videos with exercises to do to get comfortable with the most common flight situations, from hovering to flips. It is obviously not mandatory but helps. I'm still practicing this and I'm getting better on turns at this point.
This is a serie of videos, not just one video.



Honestly, personal opinion: If you can keep the height, hover, turn it doesn't make any sense you start to try flips, rolls and loops.

Thanks and have fun
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+++ on these videos. Part of how I learned so fast is by doing drills in simulators. These videos advocate for the same if I remember and it was part of how I got started... I fully endorse them!!! I used a few of these videos myself... I think the hover one, and the turns one, and there was another. While it seemed like it took forever for me to be able to do the things in the videos that he's teaching I think it really helped me learn the basics first which I've been building on since.

The one thing I would argue with on your post though... is if you start in a simulator (I wouldn't advocate this for actual flight)... not to be afraid to try flips and rolls as soon as you think you'll get away with it... It'll tech you a ton about recovering when you loose control. I instinctively know how to get my quad upright without even thinking because I have spent oodles of time twirling around in the air. It also helps you get used to the super rate or expo curve and helps you get a feel for rates (which now in liftoff work based off of betaflight style config which is great!). I didn't really understand what rates were until I started doing flips and rolls... loops on the other hand... I still cant do right Doh Here I am these days learning a handful of more advanced moves and I still cant get a simple power loop to work right lol.
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#3
I forgot to mention this Carl: SIMULATORS.
Try to find the most realistic settings and use the simulator as much as you can, it helps a lot, but we also need to go to the real world also and try the real stuff.
I'm still flying on auto level mode, but I already disabled the barometer, for me it was useless, couldn't find any real benefit of it.
Loops are a bit more complicated than rolls and flips for sure, have you ever tried ? I have zero confidence for this as it requires ACRO mode and I'm not yet there.

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+++ on simulators too. I spent at least 30-50 hours flying in simulators before I even got into the air. Only maybe 3 or 4 of those hours were in leveling mode... I would always suggest spending lots of time in simulators and only in acro mode... get the crashes out of the way. Hit those virtual trees and ground HARD! show it who is boss... then after the melt downs start to disappear then it's time to get in the air.

I've tried loops... and actually I can do the maddy flip (reverse power loop) in sims but I don't have the guts to try in the air yet.... but power loops... I just cant wrap my head around the inputs and either end up pushing back too much or not enough...
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#5
@flabombarda, loops should work with horizon mode, instead of angle. I recommend flying acro anyway though, you learn much faster.

My personal advice for learning loops is - start big! Means, much throttle, little pitch. Also, a loop is easier to pull off if you don't fly too fast forward to begin with. The faster you enter it, the more you'll have to push back, which is the hardest part since you usually have no reference when looking straight at the sky.

Smaller loops are much more difficult to get the throttle just right and you risk pushing it quickly into the ground.


Personally i have never used FPV sims (battlefield is not a sim Wink ), but coming from cp helicopters and flying LOS i already had some muscle memory for certain moves.
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(11-May-2017, 09:26 PM)fftunes Wrote: @flabombarda, loops should work with horizon mode, instead of angle. I recommend flying acro anyway though, you learn much faster.

My personal advice for learning loops is - start big! Means, much throttle, little pitch. Also, a loop is easier to pull off if you don't fly too fast forward to begin with. The faster you enter it, the more you'll have to push back, which is the hardest part since you usually have no reference when looking straight at the sky.

Smaller loops are much more difficult to get the throttle just right and you risk pushing it quickly into the ground.


Personally i have never used FPV sims (battlefield is not a sim Wink ), but coming from cp helicopters and flying LOS i already had some muscle memory for certain moves.

I´ll give a try tomorrow using ACRO at least 1 battery. I promise !!!
Tried once and the quad couch fire  Poop
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(11-May-2017, 09:26 PM)fftunes Wrote: @flabombarda, loops should work with horizon mode, instead of angle. I recommend flying acro anyway though, you learn much faster.

My personal advice for learning loops is - start big! Means, much throttle, little pitch. Also, a loop is easier to pull off if you don't fly too fast forward to begin with. The faster you enter it, the more you'll have to push back, which is the hardest part since you usually have no reference when looking straight at the sky.

Smaller loops are much more difficult to get the throttle just right and you risk pushing it quickly into the ground.


Personally i have never used FPV sims (battlefield is not a sim Wink ), but coming from cp helicopters and flying LOS i already had some muscle memory for certain moves.

Thumbs Up

Great advice!

If you could already fly something as complex as a collective pitch heli, was a multirotor quite simple to pick up?
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(11-May-2017, 11:54 PM)flabombarda Wrote: I´ll give a try tomorrow using ACRO at least 1 battery. I promise !!!
Tried once and the quad couch fire  Poop

I advise against personally... set yourself up to spend 2 weeks on simulator in acro at 1 hour per day of practice... that'll get you where you need to be!
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(12-May-2017, 12:07 AM)unseen Wrote: Thumbs Up

Great advice!

If you could already fly something as complex as a collective pitch heli, was a multirotor quite simple to pick up?

Yes, i felt quite comfortable right from start... hm well, maybe flying battlefield 3 helis did  help too. Smile
Comfortable enough to do first roll 10 seconds into first flight, while carrying a gopro.

(12-May-2017, 12:39 AM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: I advise against personally... set yourself up to spend 2 weeks on simulator in acro at 1 hour per day of practice... that'll get you where you need to be!

Well, yes of course, if you have the chance to learn on sim it might help a lot. But i also have to say, a friend of mine picked it up in acro in about 3 flights without much previous knowledge at all.
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Ok, so to be fair... my experience is somewhat tinted...

I can't really do much of anything physical unless I have what campagnium at one time called "oculomotorical reflex loop" in his intro post... see I told him I'd remember, even if I did have to look it up!... For me I can do something well very quickly after I've repeated it physically several times... but the first time I do it... well... I am a spaz... and then the second time... more of a spaz... and really it takes probably about 50 or 100 attempts at certain complex motor movements until I start to get it intuitively. The moment I start to get it intuitively though I latch on big time. Usually this is because I've also mentally worked out all of the detail logic in the motions along the way such as "turn your hand this way and it adds range of motion"

Admittedly this is how I learn, even if it is not how everyone else learns Smile

The truth is though, I am very uncoordinated when it comes to the basics that have to be thought about... I need to use my unconscious mind to control fine motor skills, and use logic and reasoning to give general almost strategic instructions to my unconscious mind. The same is actually very true about me when it comes to social skills and executive function. I tend to be a bit of a spaz in unexpected situations in general :p
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Well i'm sure that's pretty much true for everyone... maybe to a lesser degree for today's youth which grows up with smartphones and alike, but still. Smile Tame rates settings can probably make up quite a bit for that, but nevertheless, everybody has to learn at some point.

And to be honest, what i said here:
(12-May-2017, 01:35 AM)fftunes Wrote: But i also have to say, a friend of mine picked it up in acro in about 3 flights without much previous knowledge at all.

...is also not the whole truth - he was already flying airplanes LOS before, so the only thing he really had to learn for the quads was yaw control. Since yaw can be pretty much neglected on most planes (many don't even have rudder) this is the only thing he sometimes completely forgot when attempting turns. Smile
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(12-May-2017, 03:37 AM)fftunes Wrote: Well i'm sure that's pretty much true for everyone... maybe to a lesser degree for today's youth which grows up with smartphones and alike, but still. Smile Tame rates settings can probably make up quite a bit for that, but nevertheless, everybody has to learn at some point.

And to be honest, what i said here:

...is also not the whole truth - he was already flying airplanes LOS before, so the only thing he really had to learn for the quads was yaw control. Since yaw can be pretty much neglected on most planes (many don't even have rudder) this is the only thing he sometimes completely forgot when attempting turns. Smile

lol... so he cheated... no... JK :p 

I think lots of people learn similar, but I do feel that others have a little more ability to be deliberate at first. I don't mind, it's a set back and a good thing for me. Having a clear path to learning physical techniques and fine motor skills give me 2 key benefits... one I know exactly what it takes to learn something that feels impossibly physical at first (hence why I went straight to Acro and never bothered with self leveling types of modes)... and second I tend to come up with creative new ways of doing things along those paths which greatly influenced my music and seems to be influencing my flying a little bit, although not as much as I expected lol. 

I still stand by the idea that a good 100 or so crashes in acro in a simulator at a minimum are very worth it, even for those who learn differently.
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#13
do anyone have videos of throttle control?

seen people keep giving throttle like 1500->1000-> rest ->1500->1000-> rest..
is it somekind of control to make going through the gate easier?
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#14
Throttle control is best learned from pure stick time I think. Dedicated and focused practice on the hover exercises are a good start



Then start to work on forward movement throttle control... Then of course you have to start all over again as I start to learn to maintain altitude while turning and breaking.

As for where my sticks are when I fly... I don't look at my sticks much but generally when I am not flying very aggressively such as hovering or a quick view of the area I am flying then my throttle is usually just below half... however when I am at a very aggressive angle flying quickly or if I am applying throttle when counteracting gravity during a fall (such as after a big hang-time acro trick) then I am almost always significantly above half way, usually in the 75%-100% range depending on how much I am trying to push the quad in the direction I am going. However none of that matters to me when I am flying. The reason being, if I was paying attention and using conscious thought to control throttle 100% I'd almost certainly be less effective at keeping the quad in the air (which at this point in my learning journey I am very good at doing unless I am trying some foolish over the top trick).

I am best at keeping throttle control when I am "feeling" it... Out of all of my inputs throttle is the most true... I am usually more mindful of where my sticks are for roll, pitch, and yaw but generally don't even think about where I am with throttle. I think this is because it's the one input where I have the most varied and fluid input.

hopefully this info helps rather than making things more confusing or difficult... good luck!
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