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PID's -> Knowing when it's too much or not enough on Blackbox log
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I am trying to figure out what godd result looks like in a blackbox log, and I am a super newb when it comes to black box logs as this is my first machine that can log them.

I am using stock betaflight PID's on my new Talon.
Betaflight 3.2 Release version
TMotor F40 pro's
Racerstar BLheli32 (ver 32.1) esc's, DShot 1200,
Revolt V2 - Dynamic Filters enabled with Joshua Bardwell's suggested filters down to 0 (all 3) - motors not hot.

All my lines in the blackbox log are pretty stable i think, but what should I be looking for when i start upping my P's ?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B35q7Hp...sp=sharing
(6/12 is a bit mellow with some punch outs. I crashed at the very end...)
(7/12 is a bit more aggressive)
Code:
# dump

# version
# Betaflight / REVOLT (RVLT) 3.2.0 Sep 28 2017 / 16:41:59 (ceb6f70) MSP API: 1.36

# name
name FlyinB_Falcon

# resources
resource BEEPER 1 B04
resource MOTOR 1 B00
resource MOTOR 2 B01
resource MOTOR 3 A03
resource MOTOR 4 A02
resource MOTOR 5 NONE
resource MOTOR 6 NONE
resource MOTOR 7 NONE
resource MOTOR 8 NONE
resource SERVO 1 NONE
resource SERVO 2 NONE
resource SERVO 3 NONE
resource SERVO 4 NONE
resource SERVO 5 NONE
resource SERVO 6 NONE
resource SERVO 7 NONE
resource SERVO 8 NONE
resource PPM 1 B14
resource PWM 1 B14
resource PWM 2 B15
resource PWM 3 C06
resource PWM 4 C07
resource PWM 5 C08
resource PWM 6 C09
resource PWM 7 NONE
resource PWM 8 NONE
resource LED_STRIP 1 B06
resource SERIAL_TX 1 A09
resource SERIAL_TX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 3 B10
resource SERIAL_TX 4 A00
resource SERIAL_TX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 6 C06
resource SERIAL_TX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 11 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 12 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 1 A10
resource SERIAL_RX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 3 B11
resource SERIAL_RX 4 A01
resource SERIAL_RX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 6 C07
resource SERIAL_RX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 11 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 12 NONE
resource INVERTER 1 C00
resource INVERTER 2 NONE
resource INVERTER 3 NONE
resource INVERTER 4 NONE
resource INVERTER 5 NONE
resource INVERTER 6 NONE
resource INVERTER 7 NONE
resource INVERTER 8 NONE
resource INVERTER 9 NONE
resource INVERTER 10 NONE
resource INVERTER 11 NONE
resource INVERTER 12 NONE
resource I2C_SCL 1 B08
resource I2C_SCL 2 NONE
resource I2C_SCL 3 NONE
resource I2C_SDA 1 B09
resource I2C_SDA 2 NONE
resource I2C_SDA 3 NONE
resource LED 1 B05
resource LED 2 NONE
resource LED 3 NONE
resource RX_BIND 1 NONE
resource RX_BIND_PLUG 1 NONE
resource TRANSPONDER 1 NONE
resource SPI_SCK 1 A05
resource SPI_SCK 2 NONE
resource SPI_SCK 3 C10
resource SPI_MISO 1 A06
resource SPI_MISO 2 NONE
resource SPI_MISO 3 C11
resource SPI_MOSI 1 A07
resource SPI_MOSI 2 NONE
resource SPI_MOSI 3 C12
resource ESCSERIAL 1 B14
resource CAMERA_CONTROL 1 NONE
resource ADC_BATT 1 C02
resource ADC_RSSI 1 NONE
resource ADC_CURR 1 C01
resource ADC_EXT 1 NONE
resource BARO_CS 1 NONE

# mixer
mixer QUADX1234

mmix reset


# servo
servo 0 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 1 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 2 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 3 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 4 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 5 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 6 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 7 1000 2000 1500 100 -1

# servo mix
smix reset



# feature
feature -RX_PPM
feature -INFLIGHT_ACC_CAL
feature -RX_SERIAL
feature -MOTOR_STOP
feature -SERVO_TILT
feature -SOFTSERIAL
feature -GPS
feature -SONAR
feature -TELEMETRY
feature -3D
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature -RX_MSP
feature -RSSI_ADC
feature -LED_STRIP
feature -DISPLAY
feature -OSD
feature -CHANNEL_FORWARDING
feature -TRANSPONDER
feature -AIRMODE
feature -RX_SPI
feature -SOFTSPI
feature -ESC_SENSOR
feature -ANTI_GRAVITY
feature -DYNAMIC_FILTER
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature ANTI_GRAVITY
feature DYNAMIC_FILTER

# beeper
beeper GYRO_CALIBRATED
beeper RX_LOST
beeper RX_LOST_LANDING
beeper DISARMING
beeper ARMING
beeper ARMING_GPS_FIX
beeper BAT_CRIT_LOW
beeper BAT_LOW
beeper GPS_STATUS
beeper RX_SET
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION_FAIL
beeper READY_BEEP
beeper MULTI_BEEPS
beeper DISARM_REPEAT
beeper ARMED
beeper SYSTEM_INIT
beeper -ON_USB
beeper BLACKBOX_ERASE

# map
map AETR1234

# serial
serial 20 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 0 0 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 3 0 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 5 0 115200 57600 0 115200

# led
led 0 0,0::C:0
led 1 0,0::C:0
led 2 0,0::C:0
led 3 0,0::C:0
led 4 0,0::C:0
led 5 0,0::C:0
led 6 0,0::C:0
led 7 0,0::C:0
led 8 0,0::C:0
led 9 0,0::C:0
led 10 0,0::C:0
led 11 0,0::C:0
led 12 0,0::C:0
led 13 0,0::C:0
led 14 0,0::C:0
led 15 0,0::C:0
led 16 0,0::C:0
led 17 0,0::C:0
led 18 0,0::C:0
led 19 0,0::C:0
led 20 0,0::C:0
led 21 0,0::C:0
led 22 0,0::C:0
led 23 0,0::C:0
led 24 0,0::C:0
led 25 0,0::C:0
led 26 0,0::C:0
led 27 0,0::C:0
led 28 0,0::C:0
led 29 0,0::C:0
led 30 0,0::C:0
led 31 0,0::C:0

# color
color 0 0,0,0
color 1 0,255,255
color 2 0,0,255
color 3 30,0,255
color 4 60,0,255
color 5 90,0,255
color 6 120,0,255
color 7 150,0,255
color 8 180,0,255
color 9 210,0,255
color 10 240,0,255
color 11 270,0,255
color 12 300,0,255
color 13 330,0,255
color 14 0,0,0
color 15 0,0,0

# mode_color
mode_color 0 0 1
mode_color 0 1 11
mode_color 0 2 2
mode_color 0 3 13
mode_color 0 4 10
mode_color 0 5 3
mode_color 1 0 5
mode_color 1 1 11
mode_color 1 2 3
mode_color 1 3 13
mode_color 1 4 10
mode_color 1 5 3
mode_color 2 0 10
mode_color 2 1 11
mode_color 2 2 4
mode_color 2 3 13
mode_color 2 4 10
mode_color 2 5 3
mode_color 3 0 8
mode_color 3 1 11
mode_color 3 2 4
mode_color 3 3 13
mode_color 3 4 10
mode_color 3 5 3
mode_color 4 0 7
mode_color 4 1 11
mode_color 4 2 3
mode_color 4 3 13
mode_color 4 4 10
mode_color 4 5 3
mode_color 5 0 9
mode_color 5 1 11
mode_color 5 2 2
mode_color 5 3 13
mode_color 5 4 10
mode_color 5 5 3
mode_color 6 0 6
mode_color 6 1 10
mode_color 6 2 1
mode_color 6 3 0
mode_color 6 4 0
mode_color 6 5 2
mode_color 6 6 3
mode_color 6 7 6
mode_color 6 8 0
mode_color 6 9 0
mode_color 6 10 0
mode_color 7 0 3

# aux
aux 0 0 0 1650 2100
aux 1 26 1 1600 2075
aux 2 28 1 1300 2100
aux 3 0 0 900 900
aux 4 0 0 900 900
aux 5 0 0 900 900
aux 6 0 0 900 900
aux 7 0 0 900 900
aux 8 0 0 900 900
aux 9 0 0 900 900
aux 10 0 0 900 900
aux 11 0 0 900 900
aux 12 0 0 900 900
aux 13 0 0 900 900
aux 14 0 0 900 900
aux 15 0 0 900 900
aux 16 0 0 900 900
aux 17 0 0 900 900
aux 18 0 0 900 900
aux 19 0 0 900 900

# adjrange
adjrange 0 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 1 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 2 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 3 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 4 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 5 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 6 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 7 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 8 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 9 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 10 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 11 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 12 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 13 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 14 0 0 900 900 0 0

# rxrange
rxrange 0 1000 2000
rxrange 1 1000 2000
rxrange 2 1000 2000
rxrange 3 1000 2000

# vtx
vtx 0 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 1 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 2 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 3 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 4 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 5 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 6 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 7 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 8 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 9 0 0 0 900 900

# rxfail
rxfail 0 a
rxfail 1 a
rxfail 2 a
rxfail 3 h
rxfail 4 h
rxfail 5 h
rxfail 6 h
rxfail 7 h
rxfail 8 h
rxfail 9 h
rxfail 10 h
rxfail 11 h
rxfail 12 h
rxfail 13 h
rxfail 14 h
rxfail 15 h
rxfail 16 h
rxfail 17 h

# master
set align_gyro = DEFAULT
set gyro_lpf = OFF
set gyro_sync_denom = 1
set gyro_lowpass_type = PT1
set gyro_lowpass_hz = 90
set gyro_notch1_hz = 0
set gyro_notch1_cutoff = 300
set gyro_notch2_hz = 0
set gyro_notch2_cutoff = 100
set moron_threshold = 48
set gyro_use_32khz = OFF
set align_acc = DEFAULT
set acc_hardware = NONE
set acc_lpf_hz = 10
set acc_trim_pitch = 0
set acc_trim_roll = 0
set align_mag = DEFAULT
set mag_hardware = NONE
set mag_declination = 0
set magzero_x = 0
set magzero_y = 0
set magzero_z = 0
set baro_bustype = I2C
set baro_spi_device = 0
set baro_i2c_device = 1
set baro_i2c_address = 0
set baro_hardware = NONE
set baro_tab_size = 21
set baro_noise_lpf = 600
set baro_cf_vel = 985
set baro_cf_alt = 965
set mid_rc = 1500
set min_check = 1050
set max_check = 1900
set rssi_channel = 0
set rssi_scale = 41
set rssi_invert = OFF
set rc_interp = AUTO
set rc_interp_ch = RP
set rc_interp_int = 19
set fpv_mix_degrees = 0
set max_aux_channels = 14
set serialrx_provider = IBUS
set sbus_inversion = ON
set spektrum_sat_bind = 0
set spektrum_sat_bind_autoreset = ON
set airmode_start_throttle = 1350
set rx_min_usec = 885
set rx_max_usec = 2115
set serialrx_halfduplex = ON
set input_filtering_mode = OFF
set blackbox_p_ratio = 32
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set blackbox_on_motor_test = OFF
set blackbox_record_acc = ON
set min_throttle = 1070
set max_throttle = 2000
set min_command = 1000
set dshot_idle_value = 450
set use_unsynced_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_protocol = DSHOT1200
set motor_pwm_rate = 480
set motor_pwm_inversion = OFF
set thr_corr_value = 0
set thr_corr_angle = 800
set failsafe_delay = 4
set failsafe_off_delay = 10
set failsafe_throttle = 1000
set failsafe_kill_switch = OFF
set failsafe_throttle_low_delay = 100
set failsafe_procedure = DROP
set align_board_roll = 0
set align_board_pitch = 0
set align_board_yaw = 0
set gimbal_mode = NORMAL
set bat_capacity = 0
set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 43
set vbat_full_cell_voltage = 41
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 33
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 35
set vbat_hysteresis = 1
set current_meter = VIRTUAL
set battery_meter = NONE
set vbat_detect_cell_voltage = 30
set use_vbat_alerts = ON
set use_cbat_alerts = OFF
set cbat_alert_percent = 10
set vbat_cutoff_percent = 100
set vbat_scale = 110
set ibata_scale = 400
set ibata_offset = 0
set ibatv_scale = 0
set ibatv_offset = 0
set beeper_inversion = OFF
set beeper_od = ON
set beeper_frequency = 0
set beeper_dshot_beacon_tone = 0
set yaw_motors_reversed = OFF
set 3d_deadband_low = 1406
set 3d_deadband_high = 1514
set 3d_neutral = 1460
set 3d_deadband_throttle = 50
set servo_center_pulse = 1500
set servo_pwm_rate = 50
set servo_lowpass_hz = 0
set tri_unarmed_servo = ON
set channel_forwarding_start = 4
set reboot_character = 82
set serial_update_rate_hz = 100
set accxy_deadband = 40
set accz_deadband = 40
set acc_unarmedcal = ON
set imu_dcm_kp = 2500
set imu_dcm_ki = 0
set small_angle = 25
set auto_disarm_delay = 5
set disarm_kill_switch = ON
set gyro_cal_on_first_arm = OFF
set gps_provider = NMEA
set gps_sbas_mode = AUTO
set gps_auto_config = ON
set gps_auto_baud = OFF
set gps_wp_radius = 200
set nav_controls_heading = ON
set nav_speed_min = 100
set nav_speed_max = 300
set nav_slew_rate = 30
set fixedwing_althold_reversed = OFF
set alt_hold_deadband = 40
set alt_hold_fast_change = ON
set deadband = 0
set yaw_deadband = 0
set yaw_control_reversed = OFF
set pid_process_denom = 1
set tlm_switch = OFF
set tlm_inverted = OFF
set tlm_halfduplex = ON
set frsky_default_lat = 0
set frsky_default_long = 0
set frsky_gps_format = 0
set frsky_unit = IMPERIAL
set frsky_vfas_precision = 0
set hott_alarm_int = 5
set pid_in_tlm = OFF
set report_cell_voltage = OFF
set ledstrip_visual_beeper = OFF
set task_statistics = ON
set debug_mode = NONE
set cpu_overclock = OFF
set pwr_on_arm_grace = 5
set vtx_halfduplex = ON
set displayport_msp_col_adjust = 0
set displayport_msp_row_adjust = 0
set esc_sensor_halfduplex = OFF
set led_inversion = 0
set dashboard_i2c_bus = 1
set dashboard_i2c_addr = 60
set camera_control_mode = HARDWARE_PWM
set camera_control_ref_voltage = 330
set camera_control_key_delay = 180
set camera_control_internal_resistance = 470

# profile
profile 0

set dterm_lowpass_type = PT1
set dterm_lowpass = 100
set dterm_notch_hz = 0
set dterm_notch_cutoff = 160
set vbat_pid_gain = OFF
set pid_at_min_throttle = ON
set anti_gravity_threshold = 350
set anti_gravity_gain = 1000
set setpoint_relax_ratio = 100
set dterm_setpoint_weight = 0
set acc_limit_yaw = 100
set acc_limit = 0
set crash_dthreshold = 50
set crash_gthreshold = 400
set crash_setpoint_threshold = 350
set crash_time = 500
set crash_delay = 0
set crash_recovery_angle = 10
set crash_recovery_rate = 100
set crash_limit_yaw = 200
set crash_recovery = OFF
set iterm_windup = 50
set iterm_limit = 150
set pidsum_limit = 500
set pidsum_limit_yaw = 400
set yaw_lowpass = 0
set p_pitch = 58
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 35
set p_roll = 40
set i_roll = 40
set d_roll = 30
set p_yaw = 70
set i_yaw = 45
set d_yaw = 20
set p_alt = 50
set i_alt = 0
set d_alt = 0
set p_level = 50
set i_level = 50
set d_level = 75
set p_vel = 55
set i_vel = 55
set d_vel = 75
set level_limit = 55
set horizon_tilt_effect = 75
set horizon_tilt_expert_mode = OFF
set gps_pos_p = 15
set gps_pos_i = 0
set gps_pos_d = 0
set gps_posr_p = 34
set gps_posr_i = 14
set gps_posr_d = 53
set gps_nav_p = 25
set gps_nav_i = 33
set gps_nav_d = 83

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 100
set rc_rate_yaw = 100
set rc_expo = 0
set rc_expo_yaw = 0
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_srate = 70
set pitch_srate = 70
set yaw_srate = 70
set tpa_rate = 10
set tpa_breakpoint = 1650

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#2
Why do you think you need to increase your P-gain?

How does the quad fly?
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#3
Good point. It actually flies pretty good. I just assumed everyone tries to maximize their Ps b4 it starts to oscilate. I don't even know what oscillations look like in black box logs lol.

But I get what you are trying to say. If it ain't broke don't fix it...
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#4
Exactly so!

Your logs look pretty good to be honest. A little noisy on the D-term, but if your motors are cool and it flies well then all is good.

I find flying much more fun than tuning, so unless there's a specific handling problem you're trying to fix, just fly it and enjoy it. Smile
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Thanks!
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