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18-Oct-2017, 12:43 AM (This post was last modified: 18-Oct-2017, 12:45 AM by Gr8Stog. Edit Reason: Messed up the format )
Hello guys!

I just got up in the air a little over two weeks ago and I'm so excited to join the community. So far the only thing I'm still lost on is tuning the quad. I get some weird jerking motions when I accelerate and whenever I reduce the throttle to 0 while flying (flip or just dropping quickly) my quad freaks out a bit and jerks around when I bring the throttle back. I was just hoping to get some feedback on this issue and also ask for some assistance in tuning my quad.


Frame: Lisam 210s
FC: SPF3 clone (whoops)
ESCs: Racestars 30A
Motors: Emax RS2205 2600KV
PDB: Matek
VTX: FT48X 5.8G 48CH
Antenna: Aomway
RX: FrSky X4R-SB
Props: DAL 5045C 5''
here is the BB log

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5OGb0...ENvQWRKR1k

and here is the Log on a BB reader

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5OGb0...G5BemN3b0U


If I left anything out please let me know!
Thanks guys

CLI dump


Code:
# Cleanflight / SPRACINGF3 2.1.0 Jul 30 2017 / 13:13:34 (8b24735)
name -
resource BEEPER 1 C15
resource MOTOR 1 A06
resource MOTOR 2 A07
resource MOTOR 3 A11
resource MOTOR 4 A12
resource MOTOR 5 B08
resource MOTOR 6 B09
resource MOTOR 7 A02
resource MOTOR 8 A03
resource MOTOR 9 NONE
resource MOTOR 10 NONE
resource MOTOR 11 NONE
resource MOTOR 12 NONE
resource SERVO 1 NONE
resource SERVO 2 NONE
resource SERVO 3 NONE
resource SERVO 4 NONE
resource SERVO 5 NONE
resource SERVO 6 NONE
resource SERVO 7 NONE
resource SERVO 8 NONE
resource PPM 1 A00
resource PWM 1 A00
resource PWM 2 A01
resource PWM 3 B11
resource PWM 4 B10
resource PWM 5 B04
resource PWM 6 B05
resource PWM 7 B00
resource PWM 8 B01
resource SONAR_TRIGGER 1 B00
resource SONAR_ECHO 1 B01
resource LED_STRIP 1 A08
resource SERIAL_TX 1 A09
resource SERIAL_TX 2 A14
resource SERIAL_TX 3 B10
resource SERIAL_TX 4 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 6 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 11 B05
resource SERIAL_TX 12 B01
resource SERIAL_RX 1 A10
resource SERIAL_RX 2 A15
resource SERIAL_RX 3 B11
resource SERIAL_RX 4 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 6 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 11 B04
resource SERIAL_RX 12 B00
resource I2C_SCL 1 B06
resource I2C_SCL 2 NONE
resource I2C_SDA 1 B07
resource I2C_SDA 2 NONE
resource LED 1 B03
resource LED 2 NONE
resource LED 3 NONE
resource RX_BIND 1 NONE
resource RX_BIND_PLUG 1 NONE
resource SPI_SCK 1 NONE
resource SPI_SCK 2 B13
resource SPI_SCK 3 NONE
resource SPI_MISO 1 NONE
resource SPI_MISO 2 B14
resource SPI_MISO 3 NONE
resource SPI_MOSI 1 NONE
resource SPI_MOSI 2 B15
resource SPI_MOSI 3 NONE
mixer QUADX

mmix reset

servo 0 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 1 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 2 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 3 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 4 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 5 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 6 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 7 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
smix reset


feature -RX_PPM
feature -INFLIGHT_ACC_CAL
feature -RX_SERIAL
feature -MOTOR_STOP
feature -SERVO_TILT
feature -SOFTSERIAL
feature -GPS
feature -FAILSAFE
feature -SONAR
feature -TELEMETRY
feature -3D
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature -RX_MSP
feature -RSSI_ADC
feature -LED_STRIP
feature -DISPLAY
feature -OSD
feature -CHANNEL_FORWARDING
feature -TRANSPONDER
feature -AIRMODE
feature -RX_SPI
feature -SOFTSPI
feature -ESC_SENSOR
feature -ANTI_GRAVITY
feature -DYNAMIC_FILTER
feature RX_SERIAL
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature TELEMETRY
feature OSD
feature AIRMODE
beeper GYRO_CALIBRATED
beeper RX_LOST
beeper RX_LOST_LANDING
beeper DISARMING
beeper ARMING
beeper ARMING_GPS_FIX
beeper BAT_CRIT_LOW
beeper BAT_LOW
beeper GPS_STATUS
beeper RX_SET
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION_FAIL
beeper READY_BEEP
beeper MULTI_BEEPS
beeper DISARM_REPEAT
beeper ARMED
beeper SYSTEM_INIT
beeper ON_USB
beeper BLACKBOX_ERASE
map TAER1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 32 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 2 64 115200 57600 0 115200
led 0 0,0::C:0
led 1 0,0::C:0
led 2 0,0::C:0
led 3 0,0::C:0
led 4 0,0::C:0
led 5 0,0::C:0
led 6 0,0::C:0
led 7 0,0::C:0
led 8 0,0::C:0
led 9 0,0::C:0
led 10 0,0::C:0
led 11 0,0::C:0
led 12 0,0::C:0
led 13 0,0::C:0
led 14 0,0::C:0
led 15 0,0::C:0
led 16 0,0::C:0
led 17 0,0::C:0
led 18 0,0::C:0
led 19 0,0::C:0
led 20 0,0::C:0
led 21 0,0::C:0
led 22 0,0::C:0
led 23 0,0::C:0
led 24 0,0::C:0
led 25 0,0::C:0
led 26 0,0::C:0
led 27 0,0::C:0
led 28 0,0::C:0
led 29 0,0::C:0
led 30 0,0::C:0
led 31 0,0::C:0
color 0 0,0,0
color 1 0,255,255
color 2 0,0,255
color 3 30,0,255
color 4 60,0,255
color 5 90,0,255
color 6 120,0,255
color 7 150,0,255
color 8 180,0,255
color 9 210,0,255
color 10 240,0,255
color 11 270,0,255
color 12 300,0,255
color 13 330,0,255
color 14 0,0,0
color 15 0,0,0
mode_color 0 0 1
mode_color 0 1 11
mode_color 0 2 2
mode_color 0 3 13
mode_color 0 4 10
mode_color 0 5 3
mode_color 1 0 5
mode_color 1 1 11
mode_color 1 2 3
mode_color 1 3 13
mode_color 1 4 10
mode_color 1 5 3
mode_color 2 0 10
mode_color 2 1 11
mode_color 2 2 4
mode_color 2 3 13
mode_color 2 4 10
mode_color 2 5 3
mode_color 3 0 8
mode_color 3 1 11
mode_color 3 2 4
mode_color 3 3 13
mode_color 3 4 10
mode_color 3 5 3
mode_color 4 0 7
mode_color 4 1 11
mode_color 4 2 3
mode_color 4 3 13
mode_color 4 4 10
mode_color 4 5 3
mode_color 5 0 9
mode_color 5 1 11
mode_color 5 2 2
mode_color 5 3 13
mode_color 5 4 10
mode_color 5 5 3
mode_color 6 0 6
mode_color 6 1 10
mode_color 6 2 1
mode_color 6 3 0
mode_color 6 4 0
mode_color 6 5 2
mode_color 6 6 3
mode_color 6 7 6
mode_color 6 8 0
mode_color 6 9 0
mode_color 6 10 0
mode_color 7 0 3
aux 0 0 0 900 1400
aux 1 28 0 900 2100
aux 2 0 0 900 900
aux 3 0 0 900 900
aux 4 0 0 900 900
aux 5 0 0 900 900
aux 6 0 0 900 900
aux 7 0 0 900 900
aux 8 0 0 900 900
aux 9 0 0 900 900
aux 10 0 0 900 900
aux 11 0 0 900 900
aux 12 0 0 900 900
aux 13 0 0 900 900
aux 14 0 0 900 900
aux 15 0 0 900 900
aux 16 0 0 900 900
aux 17 0 0 900 900
aux 18 0 0 900 900
aux 19 0 0 900 900
adjrange 0 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 1 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 2 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 3 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 4 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 5 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 6 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 7 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 8 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 9 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 10 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 11 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 12 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 13 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 14 0 0 900 900 0 0
rxrange 0 1000 2000
rxrange 1 1000 2000
rxrange 2 1000 2000
rxrange 3 1000 2000
vtx 0 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 1 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 2 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 3 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 4 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 5 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 6 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 7 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 8 0 0 0 900 900
vtx 9 0 0 0 900 900
rxfail 0 a
rxfail 1 a
rxfail 2 a
rxfail 3 a
rxfail 4 h
rxfail 5 h
rxfail 6 h
rxfail 7 h
rxfail 8 h
rxfail 9 h
rxfail 10 h
rxfail 11 h
rxfail 12 h
rxfail 13 h
rxfail 14 h
rxfail 15 h
rxfail 16 h
rxfail 17 h
set align_gyro = DEFAULT
set gyro_lpf = OFF
set gyro_sync_denom = 4
set gyro_lowpass_type = PT1
set gyro_lowpass_hz = 90
set gyro_notch1_hz = 400
set gyro_notch1_cutoff = 300
set gyro_notch2_hz = 200
set gyro_notch2_cutoff = 100
set moron_threshold = 48
set align_acc = DEFAULT
set acc_hardware = AUTO
set acc_lpf_hz = 10
set acc_trim_pitch = 0
set acc_trim_roll = 0
set align_mag = DEFAULT
set mag_hardware = NONE
set mag_declination = 0
set magzero_x = 0
set magzero_y = 0
set magzero_z = 0
set baro_hardware = NONE
set baro_tab_size = 21
set baro_noise_lpf = 600
set baro_cf_vel = 985
set baro_cf_alt = 965
set mid_rc = 1500
set min_check = 1100
set max_check = 2000
set rssi_channel = 1
set rssi_scale = 30
set rssi_invert = OFF
set rc_interp = AUTO
set rc_interp_ch = RP
set rc_interp_int = 19
set fpv_mix_degrees = 0
set max_aux_channels = 14
set serialrx_provider = SBUS
set sbus_inversion = ON
set spektrum_sat_bind = 0
set spektrum_sat_bind_autoreset = 1
set airmode_start_throttle = 1350
set rx_min_usec = 885
set rx_max_usec = 2115
set input_filtering_mode = OFF
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 4
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set blackbox_on_motor_test = OFF
set blackbox_record_acc = ON
set min_throttle = 1000
set max_throttle = 2000
set min_command = 1000
set dshot_idle_value = 450
set use_unsynced_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_protocol = ONESHOT42
set motor_pwm_rate = 480
set motor_pwm_inversion = OFF
set thr_corr_value = 0
set thr_corr_angle = 800
set failsafe_delay = 10
set failsafe_off_delay = 10
set failsafe_throttle = 1000
set failsafe_kill_switch = OFF
set failsafe_throttle_low_delay = 100
set failsafe_procedure = DROP
set align_board_roll = 0
set align_board_pitch = 0
set align_board_yaw = 0
set gimbal_mode = NORMAL
set bat_capacity = 0
set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 43
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 33
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 35
set vbat_hysteresis = 1
set current_meter = ESC
set battery_meter = ESC
set vbat_detect_cell_voltage = 30
set use_vbat_alerts = ON
set use_cbat_alerts = OFF
set cbat_alert_percent = 10
set vbat_scale = 110
set ibata_scale = 400
set ibata_offset = 0
set ibatv_scale = 0
set ibatv_offset = 0
set beeper_inversion = ON
set beeper_od = OFF
set beeper_frequency = 0
set yaw_motors_reversed = OFF
set 3d_deadband_low = 1406
set 3d_deadband_high = 1514
set 3d_neutral = 1460
set 3d_deadband_throttle = 50
set servo_center_pulse = 1500
set servo_pwm_rate = 50
set servo_lowpass_hz = 0
set tri_unarmed_servo = ON
set channel_forwarding_start = 4
set reboot_character = 82
set serial_update_rate_hz = 100
set accxy_deadband = 40
set accz_deadband = 40
set acc_unarmedcal = ON
set imu_dcm_kp = 2500
set imu_dcm_ki = 0
set small_angle = 25
set auto_disarm_delay = 5
set disarm_kill_switch = OFF
set gyro_cal_on_first_arm = OFF
set fixedwing_althold_reversed = OFF
set alt_hold_deadband = 40
set alt_hold_fast_change = ON
set deadband = 0
set yaw_deadband = 0
set yaw_control_reversed = OFF
set pid_process_denom = 2
set tlm_switch = OFF
set tlm_inverted = OFF
set tlm_halfduplex = ON
set frsky_default_lat = 0
set frsky_default_long = 0
set frsky_gps_format = 0
set frsky_unit = IMPERIAL
set frsky_vfas_precision = 0
set hott_alarm_int = 5
set pid_in_tlm = OFF
set report_cell_voltage = OFF
set ledstrip_visual_beeper = OFF
set osd_units = METRIC
set osd_rssi_alarm = 20
set osd_cap_alarm = 2200
set osd_alt_alarm = 100
set osd_tim1 = 2560
set osd_tim2 = 2561
set osd_vbat_pos = 2092
set osd_rssi_pos = 2088
set osd_tim_1_pos = 2102
set osd_tim_2_pos = 2081
set osd_flymode_pos = 2381
set osd_throttle_pos = 2273
set osd_vtx_channel_pos = 2424
set osd_crosshairs = 2248
set osd_horizon_pos = 2248
set osd_current_pos = 2433
set osd_mah_drawn_pos = 2401
set osd_craft_name_pos = 2410
set osd_gps_speed_pos = 2265
set osd_gps_lon_pos = 2066
set osd_gps_lat_pos = 2049
set osd_gps_sats_pos = 2099
set osd_home_dir_pos = 2350
set osd_home_dist_pos = 2351
set osd_compass_bar_pos = 2314
set osd_altitude_pos = 2296
set osd_pid_roll_pos = 2471
set osd_pid_pitch_pos = 2503
set osd_pid_yaw_pos = 2535
set osd_debug_pos = 1
set osd_power_pos = 2369
set osd_pidrate_profile_pos = 2393
set osd_warnings_pos = 2377
set osd_avg_cell_voltage_pos = 2060
set osd_pit_ang_pos = 2305
set osd_rol_ang_pos = 2337
set osd_battery_usage_pos = 2440
set osd_disarmed_pos = 2187
set osd_nheading_pos = 2360
set osd_nvario_pos = 2328
set osd_esc_tmp_pos = 2209
set osd_esc_rpm_pos = 2241
set osd_stat_max_spd = ON
set osd_stat_max_dist = OFF
set osd_stat_min_batt = ON
set osd_stat_min_rssi = ON
set osd_stat_max_curr = ON
set osd_stat_used_mah = ON
set osd_stat_max_alt = OFF
set osd_stat_bbox = ON
set osd_stat_endbatt = OFF
set osd_stat_bb_no = ON
set osd_stat_tim_1 = OFF
set osd_stat_tim_2 = ON
set task_statistics = ON
set debug_mode = NONE
set displayport_msp_col_adjust = 0
set displayport_msp_row_adjust = 0
set esc_sensor_halfduplex = OFF
set led_inversion = 0
set dashboard_i2c_bus = 1
set dashboard_i2c_addr = 60
profile 0

set dterm_lowpass_type = BIQUAD
set dterm_lowpass = 100
set dterm_notch_hz = 260
set dterm_notch_cutoff = 160
set vbat_pid_gain = OFF
set pid_at_min_throttle = ON
set anti_gravity_threshold = 350
set anti_gravity_gain = 1000
set setpoint_relax_ratio = 100
set dterm_setpoint_weight = 60
set acc_limit_yaw = 100
set acc_limit = 0
set crash_dthreshold = 50
set crash_gthreshold = 200
set crash_time = 500
set crash_recovery_angle = 10
set crash_recovery_rate = 100
set crash_recovery = OFF
set iterm_windup = 50
set yaw_lowpass = 0
set pidsum_limit = 500
set pidsum_limit_yaw = 400
set p_pitch = 58
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 35
set p_roll = 40
set i_roll = 40
set d_roll = 30
set p_yaw = 70
set i_yaw = 45
set d_yaw = 20
set p_alt = 50
set i_alt = 0
set d_alt = 0
set p_level = 50
set i_level = 50
set d_level = 75
set p_vel = 55
set i_vel = 55
set d_vel = 75
set level_sensitivity = 55
set level_limit = 55
set horizon_tilt_effect = 75
set horizon_tilt_expert_mode = OFF
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 100
set rc_rate_yaw = 100
set rc_expo = 0
set rc_expo_yaw = 0
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_srate = 70
set pitch_srate = 70
set yaw_srate = 70
set tpa_rate = 10
set tpa_breakpoint = 1650
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18-Oct-2017, 03:40 AM
Welcome to the forum! Here's a great video on tuning

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18-Oct-2017, 06:12 PM
(18-Oct-2017, 03:40 AM)RENOV8R Wrote: Welcome to the forum!  Here's a great video on tuning


Thanks for the Video! I'll definitely give it a watch after work today
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18-Oct-2017, 09:09 PM
This one is older but can still be very helpful once you are in the ballpark.

http://www.propwashed.com/finding-proble...h-blackbox
Flying: Talon 6S 6" 2407s 381g no bat, Martian 3, 5" 2205s sooo heavy + gopro session 5 573g AUW, Aurora 5" 2205s 280g no bat, Druckbaer 3" 1404s 172g AUW 3S 550, BQE Megapixel 2.5" 1107s 139g AUW 3S 550, BabyHawk R 2.5" 164g AUW 3S 550 (stock except microeagle, CRSF, 2.5" arms) and maybe 3 more, for now...
 




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19-Oct-2017, 08:50 AM
One thing that helped me a lot is to realize you have to play with things.
I've watched endless videos on tuning and wanted to understand the whole theoretical part of it for the full 100% before I tried it.
What helps a lot is to make sure you can adjust pids easily (pref via Betalfight OSD) and just start fiddling with it.
Try increasing P in steps, see what happens. Do the same for the other terms.
It really helps to just get a feel on what happens. You might even solve your issue by just experimenting with different settings.
This also helps with getting the right feel. If you follow a Youtube guide your quad will probably fly fine but might not fit exactly to what YOU judge as feeling great.
By finding your own way in a sense you make sure they tune fits YOU, which I think is the result you want.

The behavior you describe sound like prop wash, you will likely find a way to make it more acceptable when focusing on D-term.
Check out my videos @ www.youtube.com/Marcelfint and let me know what you think!
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19-Oct-2017, 07:05 PM
Update:
I have some free time this weekend so I think I'm going to try out what the guy in the video did. It will just take awhile since I'm running Cleanflight and need to take the top plate off to connect the quad to my laptop.
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