Hi all!
I've since few weeks finish my first setup. When I fly it, it's really nice, really smooth, but as soon as I want make some freestyle (flip etc...) it is soooo Slow!
If i push the roll, it will flip very very veeeery slowly! If i take some altitude, and try it higher, I will push it longer to make the "slow flip" but instead to make one, it will make two! and then crash....
When I do it at 30cm and try to flip, I even have not enough time to reverse the quad than it's already crash as it is sooo slow.
I've tried lot of different PID, I tried to make it very fast but nothing help....
Even my kingkong Tiny 7 is faster...


The setup is:
Frame AWESOME F200
Camera runcam swift 2
Motor emax RS2205 2300KV
prop Dalprop T5045C
FC Matek F405 OSD
ESC 4in1 BS30 (or something like that, 30A hollywing if i remember).
VTX Foxeer 200mW +  LC filter (I had noise when i push the throttle)
RX frsky XM+

The DIFF:
# diff

# version
# Betaflight / MATEKF405 (MKF4) 3.2.3 Dec 11 2017 / 07:51:34 (cb962eda1) MSP API: 1.36

# name
name Leurne

# resources

# mixer

# servo

# servo mix


# feature
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature DYNAMIC_FILTER

# beeper
beeper -ON_USB

# map

# serial

# led

# color

# mode_color

# aux
aux 0 0 0 1800 2100
aux 1 1 1 1800 2100
aux 2 2 1 1300 1700
aux 3 13 2 1725 2100
aux 4 36 3 900 1175

# adjrange

# rxrange

# vtx

# rxfail

# master
set gyro_lowpass_hz = 50
set acc_trim_pitch = 2
set acc_trim_roll = -54
set min_throttle = 1040
set disarm_kill_switch = OFF
set osd_cap_alarm = 950
set osd_vbat_pos = 2072
set osd_rssi_pos = 40
set osd_tim_1_pos = 54
set osd_tim_2_pos = 33
set osd_flymode_pos = 2537
set osd_throttle_pos = 225
set osd_vtx_channel_pos = 377
set osd_current_pos = 385
set osd_mah_drawn_pos = 2048
set osd_craft_name_pos = 2528
set osd_gps_speed_pos = 218
set osd_gps_lon_pos = 82
set osd_gps_lat_pos = 65
set osd_gps_sats_pos = 51
set osd_home_dir_pos = 302
set osd_home_dist_pos = 303
set osd_compass_bar_pos = 266
set osd_altitude_pos = 247
set osd_pid_roll_pos = 423
set osd_pid_pitch_pos = 455
set osd_pid_yaw_pos = 487
set osd_debug_pos = 1
set osd_power_pos = 321
set osd_pidrate_profile_pos = 345
set osd_warnings_pos = 2546
set osd_avg_cell_voltage_pos = 76
set osd_pit_ang_pos = 257
set osd_rol_ang_pos = 289
set osd_battery_usage_pos = 392
set osd_disarmed_pos = 2123
set osd_nheading_pos = 311
set osd_nvario_pos = 279
set osd_esc_tmp_pos = 82
set osd_esc_rpm_pos = 83
set osd_stat_min_rssi = OFF
set osd_stat_bbox = OFF
set osd_stat_bb_no = OFF
set osd_stat_tim_1 = ON

# profile
profile 0

set dterm_lowpass_type = PT1
set anti_gravity_gain = 2000
set setpoint_relax_ratio = 33
set dterm_setpoint_weight = 106
set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 48
set p_yaw = 90
set i_level = 100
set d_level = 100

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 82
set rc_rate_yaw = 82
set rc_expo = 11
set rc_expo_yaw = 9
set roll_srate = 87
set pitch_srate = 87
set yaw_srate = 87

#


                                   

Your rc_rate has to be higher if you want to roll and pitch faster. Try 100.

Also, what mode are you flying in? Horizon or acro?

I am just curious why you have to adjust acc_trim so much for roll?

(16-Feb-2018, 04:00 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: Also, what mode are you flying in? Horizon or acro?

I am just curious why you have to adjust acc_trim so much for roll?

Acro every time. No clue what is acc_trim haha
Ans thanks à lot for your answer!

Bring your acc_trims back to zero and recalibrate accelerometer.

(16-Feb-2018, 06:05 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: Bring your acc_trims back to zero and recalibrate accelerometer.

Ok, so I did everything but still slow...

# diff

# version
# Betaflight / MATEKF405 (MKF4) 3.2.3 Dec 11 2017 / 07:51:34 (cb962eda1) MSP API: 1.36

# name
name Leurne

# resources

# mixer

# servo

# servo mix


# feature
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature DYNAMIC_FILTER

# beeper
beeper -ON_USB

# map

# serial

# led

# color

# mode_color

# aux
aux 0 0 0 1800 2100
aux 1 1 1 1800 2100
aux 2 2 1 1300 1700
aux 3 13 2 1725 2100
aux 4 36 3 900 1175

# adjrange

# rxrange

# vtx

# rxfail

# master
set gyro_lowpass_hz = 50
set min_throttle = 1040
set disarm_kill_switch = OFF
set osd_cap_alarm = 950
set osd_vbat_pos = 2072
set osd_rssi_pos = 40
set osd_tim_1_pos = 54
set osd_tim_2_pos = 33
set osd_flymode_pos = 2537
set osd_throttle_pos = 225
set osd_vtx_channel_pos = 377
set osd_current_pos = 385
set osd_mah_drawn_pos = 2048
set osd_craft_name_pos = 2528
set osd_gps_speed_pos = 218
set osd_gps_lon_pos = 82
set osd_gps_lat_pos = 65
set osd_gps_sats_pos = 51
set osd_home_dir_pos = 302
set osd_home_dist_pos = 303
set osd_compass_bar_pos = 266
set osd_altitude_pos = 247
set osd_pid_roll_pos = 423
set osd_pid_pitch_pos = 455
set osd_pid_yaw_pos = 487
set osd_debug_pos = 1
set osd_power_pos = 321
set osd_pidrate_profile_pos = 345
set osd_warnings_pos = 2546
set osd_avg_cell_voltage_pos = 76
set osd_pit_ang_pos = 257
set osd_rol_ang_pos = 289
set osd_battery_usage_pos = 392
set osd_disarmed_pos = 2123
set osd_nheading_pos = 311
set osd_nvario_pos = 279
set osd_esc_tmp_pos = 82
set osd_esc_rpm_pos = 83
set osd_stat_min_rssi = OFF
set osd_stat_bbox = OFF
set osd_stat_bb_no = OFF
set osd_stat_tim_1 = ON

# profile
profile 0

set dterm_lowpass_type = PT1
set anti_gravity_gain = 2000
set setpoint_relax_ratio = 33
set dterm_setpoint_weight = 106
set p_roll = 45
set i_roll = 48
set p_yaw = 90
set i_level = 100
set d_level = 100

# rateprofile
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 90
set rc_rate_yaw = 90
set rc_expo = 24
set rc_expo_yaw = 24
set roll_srate = 78
set pitch_srate = 78
set yaw_srate = 78

#

You didn't take rc_rate high enough. 100 is default. If you want to roll faster you have to increase it. Try 110, 120,130,140. Also remove rc_expo, that mellows out your stick near the center.

(16-Feb-2018, 09:20 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: You didn't take rc_rate high enough. 100 is default. If you want to roll faster you have to increase it. Try 110, 120,130,140. Also remove rc_expo, that mellows out your stick near the center.

Ok tomorrow i will give a try thanks

(16-Feb-2018, 09:20 AM)voodoo614 Wrote: You didn't take rc_rate high enough. 100 is default. If you want to roll faster you have to increase it. Try 110, 120,130,140. Also remove rc_expo, that mellows out your stick near the center.

Ok this morning I went quickly outside to test, it's working but I think the problem is somewhere else:
First roll i've made, i just go at 1m, push the roll and crash.
Second test, i gave a quick punch on the throttle, and then a roll, and it works!

Could it come from the motorstop at the arming? Because on an other quad which doesn't have motorstop, it doesn't make same....
I don't have the reflex to give a punch of throttle before to make a flip, but I have the reflex to reduce to 0 the throttle, which may make this problem....

I will try to investigate deeper but today quite busy... I'm living in China (BUT FRENCH!!!) and i'm in the chinese new year! haha, but it might be the best hypothesis since when i'm flying normally, follow the road, turn around the tree, i don't have this problem!

Do you zero throttle during your flips. If so, I recommend flying with Airmode. Otherwise, if you don't run airmode, I recommend not completely going to zero when you flip.

Just to clarify what voodoo said, with "airmode" deactivated the copter will not respond to stick inputs at 0% throttle.

Oh and Kung Hei Fat Choi!

Happy new year!

Ok... but then if i have motor stop deactivate will it be ok also? But then yes... airmode...

Motor stop will stop motor on arm and zero throttle. If you have airmode, it overrides the motor stop. Whether you have motor stop or not, it is personally preference. Either way is ok. Have no effect on rates.

(17-Feb-2018, 10:12 PM)voodoo614 Wrote: Motor stop will stop motor on arm and zero throttle. If you have airmode, it overrides the motor stop. Whether you have motor stop or not, it is personally preference. Either way is ok. Have no effect on rates.

I will go try it! Keep you informed! And again, thanks a lot!