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How to get into flying a mini quad - beginner guide
#1
Check out the guide in this link:
https://oscarliang.com/mini-quad-racing-guide/
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#2
Hello Oscar, first of all I want to thank you for your awesome Blog. I want to get into fpv racing and found your site very good.
Now I ordered pretty much everything for one of the quads from the beginners guide. Unfortunately right now both FC's are not available. If I would use the omnibus pro v3 could I stick to your PIDs? I want to stick as close as possible to your build.
Thanks.
Daniel
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#3
The Matek F4 AIO is back in stock now i think.
Also you can consider the Kakute F4 which is also very good and fits the Martian frame perfect.
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#4
I've been flying for 3.5 months now and accumulated a fair amount of FPV gear (both analog and digital) along with 7 quads, 3 radios, a decent assortment of tools, plus a spares kit with extra screws, connectors, antennas, motors, cameras, flight controller boards, and VTX's, etc.  I suspect that a typical flyer might take more like a year to get to this point in the hobby. I had tried to skip analog entirely and go straight to digital, which is possible, but I was missing too much flying/crashing experience and I wanted the convenience of being able to fly a 40g tiny whoop in and around my home so I ended up getting some analog gear anyway.  I've been keeping track of all my spending and the totals might surprise you.

The one number that's difficult to get my head around is the $600 spent on spares, repairs, and upgrades. That was to add better frames, motors, cameras, and boards to the analog Bind-n-Fly quads that I bought. I've found that anything with a SPI receiver and/or VTX is pretty pathetic in terms of range and so needed modification to make it enjoyable to fly beyond my driveway.  I gained a ton of valuable experience but that drove the cost of analog up to be nearly equal to what I've spent on digital (and that was with just a budget set of analog goggles).

Knowing what I know now, if I had it to do over again, along with FPV simulator experience on a computer, I would start with an analog 2-3S tiny whoop with an ELRS receiver and a non-SPI VTX. After getting a hundred or so crashes under my belt, then I'd move on to digital (DJI system) with a 3-5" quad and save my tiny whoop for bad weather days indoors.

Digital HD Radio & Goggles  $900  (DJI goggles v2 and TBS Tango 2 radio with ELRS add-on module)
2x digital quads                  $850  (GepRC CineLog 25 HD and Happymodel Crux 35 HD, both with Crossfire receivers)
Digital Total                  $1,750

Analog Radio & Goggles      $325 (Radiomaster T8 Pro and Fat Shark Scout goggles)
5x analog tiny whoops        $735
Analog Total                 $1,060

Batteries & Chargers           $430
Spare Propellers                   $60
Full set of tools                  $200
Complete Soldering kit        $200
Repairs & Spare Parts         $600

            TOTAL SPENT  $4,300
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#5
(14-Apr-2022, 06:27 PM)Clones123 Wrote: I've been flying for 3.5 months now and accumulated a fair amount of FPV gear (both analog and digital) along with 7 quads, 3 radios, a decent assortment of tools, plus a spares kit with extra screws, connectors, antennas, motors, cameras, flight controller boards, and VTX's, etc.  I suspect that a typical flyer might take more like a year to get to this point in the hobby. I had tried to skip analog entirely and go straight to digital, which is possible, but I was missing too much flying/crashing experience and I wanted the convenience of being able to fly a 40g tiny whoop in and around my home so I ended up getting some analog gear anyway.  I've been keeping track of all my spending and the totals might surprise you.

The one number that's difficult to get my head around is the $600 spent on spares, repairs, and upgrades. That was to add better frames, motors, cameras, and boards to the analog Bind-n-Fly quads that I bought. I've found that anything with a SPI receiver and/or VTX is pretty pathetic in terms of range and so needed modification to make it enjoyable to fly beyond my driveway.  I gained a ton of valuable experience but that drove the cost of analog up to be nearly equal to what I've spent on digital (and that was with just a budget set of analog goggles).

Knowing what I know now, if I had it to do over again, along with FPV simulator experience on a computer, I would start with an analog 2-3S tiny whoop with an ELRS receiver and a non-SPI VTX. After getting a hundred or so crashes under my belt, then I'd move on to digital (DJI system) with a 3-5" quad and save my tiny whoop for bad weather days indoors.

Digital HD Radio & Goggles  $900  (DJI goggles v2 and TBS Tango 2 radio with ELRS add-on module)
2x digital quads                  $850  (GepRC CineLog 25 HD and Happymodel Crux 35 HD, both with Crossfire receivers)
Digital Total                  $1,750

Analog Radio & Goggles      $325 (Radiomaster T8 Pro and Fat Shark Scout goggles)
5x analog tiny whoops        $735
Analog Total                 $1,060

Batteries & Chargers           $430
Spare Propellers                   $60
Full set of tools                  $200
Complete Soldering kit        $200
Repairs & Spare Parts         $600

            TOTAL SPENT  $4,300

That escalated quickly..lol

I'm just beginning on the hobby and am already scared about the cost of it all, but I'll try to hold off on any GAS and try to build up one step at a time and also avoid buying things that will be replaced quickly ( I'll have to spend a lot of time on the internet educating myself on a lot of things)

From your experience, what tiny whoop would you go for now? I'm researching on what to get now myself, unfortunately don't have many options available bc of whats going on with the world, especially having decided to go with ELRS...  I'm even thinking of skipping the tiny whoop and maybe jump staright into a 3-4" (sub250g).

cheers
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(19-Apr-2022, 11:29 PM)cst3x6 Wrote: From your experience, what tiny whoop would you go for now? I'm researching on what to get now myself, unfortunately don't have many options available bc of whats going on with the world, especially having decided to go with ELRS...  I'm even thinking of skipping the tiny whoop and maybe jump staright into a 3-4" (sub250g).

cheers

My opinion doesn't mean much but I agree with YouTuber Half Chrome that the Happymodel Mobula 7 ELRS is perhaps the best tiny whoop currently on the market (video link below).  That's mainly due the new CrazyBee X12 flight controller with built-in (SPI) ELRS 2.4GHz AND 12A ESC's AND OpenVTX with Race/25/100/400mW power levels. Version 1.0 of the CrazyBee X12 board (already discontinued) supports 1S only but v2.0 supports 1-2S.  The crappy little short pieces of wire used on past CrazyBee FC's for radio Rx and video Tx are upgraded to real antennas. I'm not a fan at all of the Runcam Nano3 800TVL camera but changing out to the Caddx Ant 1200TVL camera isn't difficult nor expensive (or even necessary for many pilots).

Things in FPV change fast though and just last week Happymodel announced the new Mobeetle6 2-in-1 quad which comes with BOTH a whoop frame and a carbon fiber toothpick frame in the box.  That's a lot like the older Happymodel Larva X HD  which can be either a whoop or a toothpick. Note that the Larva X HD is considered "HD" because it has a digital camera and onboard 1080P DVR but it still only transmits an analog NTSC/PAL video signal. Some people (not me) may prefer a HDZero whoop and goggles to kind of split the difference between traditional analog and ultra-high quality DJI digital.

I could even imagine someone creating nirvana by buying a Larva X HD and changing out the flight controller from the CrazyBee F4 Pro v3 to the newer CrazyBee X12 v2 though running the 1203-6200KV motors on 2S might not be ideal (they're designed for 2-4S use which is a high KV for 4S but also low for 2S where 9000-10000KV is more typical).


https://www.firstquadcopter.com/news/hap...mobeetle6/

https://www.firstquadcopter.com/news/hap...arva-x-hd/

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#7
(14-Apr-2022, 06:27 PM)Clones123 Wrote: I've been flying for 3.5 months now and accumulated a fair amount of FPV gear (both analog and digital) along with 7 quads, 3 radios, a decent assortment of tools, plus a spares kit with extra screws, connectors, antennas, motors, cameras, flight controller boards, and VTX's, etc.  I suspect that a typical flyer might take more like a year to get to this point in the hobby. I had tried to skip analog entirely and go straight to digital, which is possible, but I was missing too much flying/crashing experience and I wanted the convenience of being able to fly a 40g tiny whoop in and around my home so I ended up getting some analog gear anyway.  I've been keeping track of all my spending and the totals might surprise you.

The one number that's difficult to get my head around is the $600 spent on spares, repairs, and upgrades. That was to add better frames, motors, cameras, and boards to the analog Bind-n-Fly quads that I bought. I've found that anything with a SPI receiver and/or VTX is pretty pathetic in terms of range and so needed modification to make it enjoyable to fly beyond my driveway.  I gained a ton of valuable experience but that drove the cost of analog up to be nearly equal to what I've spent on digital (and that was with just a budget set of analog goggles).

Knowing what I know now, if I had it to do over again, along with FPV simulator experience on a computer, I would start with an analog 2-3S tiny whoop with an ELRS receiver and a non-SPI VTX. After getting a hundred or so crashes under my belt, then I'd move on to digital (DJI system) with a 3-5" quad and save my tiny whoop for bad weather days indoors.

Digital HD Radio & Goggles  $900  (DJI goggles v2 and TBS Tango 2 radio with ELRS add-on module)
2x digital quads                  $850  (GepRC CineLog 25 HD and Happymodel Crux 35 HD, both with Crossfire receivers)
Digital Total                  $1,750

Analog Radio & Goggles      $325 (Radiomaster T8 Pro and Fat Shark Scout goggles)
5x analog tiny whoops        $735
Analog Total                 $1,060

Batteries & Chargers           $430
Spare Propellers                   $60
Full set of tools                  $200
Complete Soldering kit        $200
Repairs & Spare Parts         $600

            TOTAL SPENT  $4,300

That's less than 4 months????
Wow! You have my respect! Smile
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#8
(25-Apr-2022, 08:16 PM)Clones123 Wrote: My opinion doesn't mean much but I agree with YouTuber Half Chrome that the Happymodel Mobula 7 ELRS is perhaps the best tiny whoop currently on the market (video link below).  That's mainly due the new CrazyBee X12 flight controller with built-in (SPI) ELRS 2.4GHz AND 12A ESC's AND OpenVTX with Race/25/100/400mW power levels. Version 1.0 of the CrazyBee X12 board (already discontinued) supports 1S only but v2.0 supports 1-2S.  The crappy little short pieces of wire used on past CrazyBee FC's for radio Rx and video Tx are upgraded to real antennas. I'm not a fan at all of the Runcam Nano3 800TVL camera but changing out to the Caddx Ant 1200TVL camera isn't difficult nor expensive (or even necessary for many pilots).

Things in FPV change fast though and just last week Happymodel announced the new Mobeetle6 2-in-1 quad which comes with BOTH a whoop frame and a carbon fiber toothpick frame in the box.  That's a lot like the older Happymodel Larva X HD  which can be either a whoop or a toothpick. Note that the Larva X HD is considered "HD" because it has a digital camera and onboard 1080P DVR but it still only transmits an analog NTSC/PAL video signal. Some people (not me) may prefer a HDZero whoop and goggles to kind of split the difference between traditional analog and ultra-high quality DJI digital.

I could even imagine someone creating nirvana by buying a Larva X HD and changing out the flight controller from the CrazyBee F4 Pro v3 to the newer CrazyBee X12 v2 though running the 1203-6200KV motors on 2S might not be ideal (they're designed for 2-4S use which is a high KV for 4S but also low for 2S where 9000-10000KV is more typical).


https://www.firstquadcopter.com/news/hap...mobeetle6/

https://www.firstquadcopter.com/news/hap...arva-x-hd/


Sorry, I missed your reply.  Thank you for the input.  This Mobeetle2 sounds promising and I'll keep an eye out for it.  The mobula7 and variants were all out of stock so in the end I opted for the meteor75.  Have tryed a few flights in the flat (very small area) and its wild,but I'll tame it eventually.  Did one session so far outside and that was much easier.  
The difference in flying IRL to a Sim is quite interesting.. The feeling when irl is quite different it will take me a few packs to get adjusted but so far I'm really enjoying it.
 
Btw, I still havent bought my goggles but I did a makeshift one with a skydrone receiver, a google pixel and the daydream vr goggle..  Its flyable for now but the image quality is very lacking,

cheers
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#9
Fwiw. The new Emax pro pilot is a very good “introduction into fpv for $250..I was very impressed with the fact all u literally had to do was charge the batteries, figure out where the arm switch was and you were flying.. yes, even the goggles and vtx were already setup. Even the rates are set up for a beginner.
I would recommend this rtf over Emax’s other setups because the frame is more “stout”, the fc is thicker, and goggles and controller is nicer the. They are much better then the old “white toy” style ones
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