Hi guys,

I'm starting to wonder if it would be better to have a practice quad instead of using my
own build with expensive parts to start flying fpv? 

I have a dom v3 and turnigy evolution and 4 4s 1300 lying around here.
Anyone recommend a decent RTF/RTB quad between 100 - 150EUR?

Much appreciated!

edit: this seems interesting: https://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Falcon-...s=category

Or if anyone is selling a used quad?

I'ts a little bit over your budget (like 6EU) but I'd definitely say that this is a little closer to what I'd go with if I was trying to do what you're saying:

https://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Wizard-...mds=search

biggest 2 things that stand out"

• The wizard is a full 5inch quad which means batteries, props, etc will transfer over as you build later. It'll also likely have the characteristics of a full mini build if that is your goal. If you are trying to get down into the 100 something mm builds though this may not be a problem. 
  
• This FC called "CC3D / F3 / Naze32" is a little confusing to me. I think those are conflicting stories unless they're saying is somewhere in the jumble of those flight controllers   These are 3 different flight controllers though so listing them like that is confusing. An F3 would be good but the other 2 conflict with that story. The Wizard comes with an F4 Omnibus which generally you want to find an F3 or F4 controller if you're wanting to fly betaflight firmware. 
  

Also, I am not positive but I think that camera is going to be a little better. It also looks easier to work on if you break an arm or something.

The one you have listed is kind of small (120 size). For the same money ($115 US), you could get the Eachine Racer 250 (recommend choosing the F3 version):

https://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Racer-2...74562.html

I have a friend who got one, and I was skeptical - but I've since seen it, and it is surprisingly durable (and he flies the poop out of it!). You will need to add a receiver, but sounds like you already have your radio. (Oh yeah, and lots of props.)

EDIT: Also spare parts are available for it.

(16-Jun-2017, 11:56 AM)sloscotty Wrote: The one you have listed is kind of small (120 size).  For the same money ($115 US), you could get the Eachine Racer 250 (recommend choosing the F3 version):

https://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Racer-2...74562.html

I have a friend who got one, and I was skeptical - but I've since seen it, and it is surprisingly durable (and he flies the poop out of it!).  You will need to add a receiver, but sounds like you already have your radio. (Oh yeah, and lots of props.)

EDIT:  Also spare parts are available for it.

I've always wondered if those bug-eye headlights actually do anything useful on that one lol... 

Now I think I understand why the FC thing, I didn't realize it was a selection... if you go with the Falcon definitely go for the F3 on that one as well! Sheesh what a menu that one is... a dinosaur, a lawn mower engine, and a proper computer...

Thanks for the tips guys, I agree that it's better to buy a larger RTB quad so I can reuse and transplant parts!
I think I'll go with the wizard, I hate the colors but it will have better use as organ donor when I'm done wrecking it!
4mm frame is a plus too!

These are the parts I have for my own build:
- Realacc X210 Pro
- Infintiy 4S 1300
- Emax 2306 2400kv (whites)
- Littlebees blheli-s 30A
- FC Omnibus F4 Pro V2
- Tramp HV
- Dominator V3 with quanum diversity
- Runcam Eagle
- Turnigy Evolution

Yeah if you learn on the wizard and then upgrade to that build you're going to find that you have the chance to get some crashes out of the way, but the new build will just feel better and be awesome automatically I bet.

I probably wouldn't stick with the stock props on the wizard myself, although I would give them a try. Who knows maybe they're good! It would be useful to try on some Dal's... especially for a beater quad because they are tough as... well proper plastic should be! bend em back and get back in the air! lol... I've only managed to properly break about 4 or 5 of them and I fly dal's exclusively (although I fly three different kinds).

The main parts that are nice to be able to share from quad to quad are the props and the batteries. If you start off with 4s batteries they'll carry over to your very up-to-date build. Then on props if you find a set that really work for you by the time you get your build done then you'll be able to keep using them which is what I did.

Either way, don't forget the receiver

Another recommendation for a powerful bird is the Genius 215mm
I have 2 builds here (one for me, one for selling)
It´s about $115 USD

Have a look.
https://aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality...0.0.pbxxh1

And here is the link of my build with leds added for easier orientation for LOS flies
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-8...m-anac-_JM
 
The only thing I don´t like is the propellers from this kit, these racerstar 5042 3-blade are very noisy comparing with any other prop I´ve ever tested. and also the performance is not great.
A Fiber carbon 5040 dual blade does more in terms of response and battery autonomy also.
Otherwise is all very good stuff.

On my build I have a Omnibus F4 V2 with built in OSD and BEC coming soon and I´ll replace that: https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/Betafligh...0.0.rf8Cmx

To be honest there is plenty of choices available on the market.
I´m not even close to a "pro" I´m still learning, but for those here in Brazil who are asking something to start, I´m recomending these basic QAV250, and the main reason is because the main replacement parts (motors, ESCs, arms) are very cheap, and on my first 3 weeks flying my quad cautch fire 3 times due to minor crashes with throttle on ... (burn esc + motor). but you it costs to fix probably less than $20 ...

I´m not saying this is the right to do, is just an option.

But if you don´t want to bother about assembling it, Eachine Racer 250 is a very decent build also, I got one int he US and sold here in Brazil. The only negative point (my opinion again) is that It comes with CC3D FC, and I personally don´t like this board much. If i need to use a F1 board,I would stay with my "old" Naze32 I´m already more familiar.

Thanks

(22-Jun-2017, 03:11 AM)flabombarda Wrote: ... On my first 3 weeks flying my quad cautch fire 3 times due to minor crashes with throttle on ... (burn esc + motor). but you it costs to fix probably less than $20 ...

This is definitely a good use case for extensive simulator usage and configuring your radio to have a throttle kill-switch where the disarm switch would be for a RL quad. In some simulators you can also set this to a channel and have the quad reset when flipping the switch which is even better because it gets you used to using the switch even more. 

Even though I do not have to I ALWAYS disarm after a crash in simulators. This has made disarming in real flight second nature to me since the beginning. 

(22-Jun-2017, 03:11 AM)flabombarda Wrote: ...But if you don´t want to bother about assembling it, Eachine Racer 250 is a very decent build also, I got one int he US and sold here in Brazil. The only negative point (my opinion again) is that It comes with CC3D FC, and I personally don´t like this board much. If i need to use a F1 board,I would stay with my "old" Naze32 I´m already more familiar.

Definitely a good reminder for grmbl: Whatever you do... If you buy either the racer or falcon GET the F3 FC. there is no reason to go with older flight controllers, not even the $5-$10 price difference. In your build you're going with an F4 flight controller so you might as well use a more modern flight controller on the beater too. I've heard a few times that "the latests betaflight flys better with stock pids" etc etc... And I've seen a lot of people on this forum asking about problems they have with old F1 FCs (like the Naze). Might as well simplify things for yourself and go with something that can take the recent firmware.