Does anyone on here fly FPV but without goggles? If so, what set up do you use? Monitor? how do you secure it?

My main reason for asking is I fear I may get motion sick when using goggles. I've not flown a real FPV quad yet but I've used VR headsets a bit and have used FPV Freerider on my phone while clipped into VR goggles and find that I can get motion sick. It may be mainly down to the headset FOV. I've estimated the FOV that my phone VR goggles gives a FOV of around 90-100 deg diagonal which seems to be significantly more than typical goggles (40-50deg). I find I'm fine when using a screen (laptop, phone or tablet) while flying Freerider. The approx FOV with a screen is more like FPV goggles at 30-55deg diagonal, depending on screen size and distance.

The other point that sways me away from going for goggles is the lack of awareness of your immediate surroundings when goggled up. If out in a public space you can't see what's going on around you or who may be approaching. Not that I'm expecting to get mugged or molested, but I do find myself looking out for any passing members of the public.

A final point is in the UK you need a spotter if flying with FPV goggles to be technically fully compliant. Spotter requirements may be a contentious point, and I don't want to start a debate about it! There are rumours of a relaxation for spotter requirements for FPV flight when flying in "shielded" airspace, which I'm sure would be welcomed by many.

By putting on the glasses and launching the quadcopter into the air, it will be convenient for you to keep an eye on all the suspicious people around. For example, from above I was able to notice a police car in advance, and managed to land the quadcopter on the ground. The police had no complaints against me, just curiosity.

I started flying with a 7" monitor mounted on a light tripod. It was a little hard to see in the sun, but these days you can easily get high brightness outdoor viewable monitors. The screen had integrated diversity rx/battery so was easy to setup/takedown. That will probably get you flying, but down the road you may want to try out some goggles. I have heard for some people, it just takes more time to get used to the goggles and the motion sickness may go away after a while. Maybe sitting down and resting on your chin might help.

I have been involved with getting "a few" (maybe 150 plus over six years) people going with FPV. From age 9 to 84. Some have of course progressed more quickly or slowly than others, and at least half needed to sit down to fly for the initial months, the extreme being one adult person who took a couple of months to be happy with smooth aerobatics seated and a year plus before they were able to throw a quad around in violent freestyle while standing.

Its worth the effort, only one has ever "given up", and amongst that are those who were notably prone to motion sickness.

Cruising around without active aerobatics while learning is far less likely to give you any issue, and I have not met anyone who wanted to stay on a screen after experiencing a decent sized (4-5") single screen headset. There's just too much distraction and ambient light interference for screens other than indoors. I would not recommend the screen route until (IF!) you exhaust becoming motion tolerant.

Whereabouts in the UK are you, there might be someone reachable to demo ride along and prove to you your ability to survive!!

There is a big difference between VR goggles that projects 2 different images into your eyes, and FPV goggles that send 1 image to your eyes. I think the motion sickness on FPV goggles is MUCH less. I have a friend that cannot play VR with me because he gets so nauseous, but he was comfortable flying FPV for over an hour straight.

Thanks for the replies so far! It might just be a case of me having to try out FPV for real and, if required, a little patience to get accustomed to it. I used to work on boats, and was seasick for 2 days straight the first time out at sea. I soon got used to it, even to the extent that I felt fine in some fairly rough weather.

After all, the vast majority of FPV pilots use goggles, and surely for a good reason!

Another way at it if you cannot get contact with others is to look seriously at getting the Eachine EV800D, which is a single screen headset WITH the ability to remove the front and use it as a screen.

Its a budget spend, and always useful to have a screen option around for setting up and tuning even if you do quickly get full on FPV capable.

As was mentioned above, if you get dizzy, just sit down.  I get dizzy just flying in gentle around-the-park flying.  Out and back and turns.  Take a folding chair with you if you fly outdoors.

get a tiny whoop, there wont be an issue - even without spotter, there is no danger and no reason to getvproblems

special as a beginner, a spotter is nice. join local fpv community is allways nice :-)

for your actual focus on the risk for sickness; there is a big difference between a vr optic and a high resolution screen compared to a decent fpv goggle. its made to be used for it and its not harmfull to the eyes, it shouldnt be. its intense, can make tired.
if you would focus that on goggles choice, analog or hdzero is more natural cause its stable latency.

a screen does a lot irritation, you arent in rhe cockpit but you cant watch around same time either.. you wont get less stress for the eyes by a screen, i would realy suggest to try a real fpv goggle and leave your experiences on the vr case for now.

something else to mention;
is fpvfreerider runnig realy clean? does it maybe perform badly on your phone?
it would give a terrible experience, not enjoyable, it would produce sickness for sure than if used as vrgoggle


the one thing makes confortable in fpv - you can stear the focus like natural with the head, even more 360deg xD a boat does move by itself, move the quad byself doesnt give that same feeling.

(22-Dec-2023, 04:01 PM)mstc Wrote: I started flying with a 7" monitor mounted on a light tripod. It was a little hard to see in the sun, but these days you can easily get high brightness outdoor viewable monitors. The screen had integrated diversity rx/battery so was easy to setup/takedown. That will probably get you flying, but down the road you may want to try out some goggles. I have heard for some people, it just takes more time to get used to the goggles and the motion sickness may go away after a while. Maybe sitting down and resting on your chin might help.

Kids in my neighborhood park put a cardboard shade shield painted black .  Pretty slick.

I can't stand and fly. But I did think, practically, if you get motion sickness while flying, treat it like car sickness and drop a stugeron or some other motion sickness medication and go fly.

As to flying with a monitor like DJI people do, maybe grab one of those 7-12" Eachine Screens. They are probably very similar to what mstc was talking about. Obviously grabbing a set of EV800D goggles would be wise too.

https://www.getfpv.com/eachine-7-lcd5802...nitor.html

I've recently got a 2" FPV quad and have managed to fly a full set of batteries (4) back to back using goggles and without feeling any motion sickness. I am now suspecting the motion sickness I was feeling on the sim with VR headset may be due to latency as much as FoV. The goggles I'm using are Fatshark Recon HD wich have a FoV of around 44deg, and a latency of 20-30ms typically. I've no idea what the latency on the sim is.

Wait until you learn Sbang, then motion sickness happens.

For me I fly and I do some tricks and just chill and enjoy. I haven't had any motion sickness from doing what i do. But when i first watched this Sbang video last year, well the video churns the stomach for me. Seeing it in the goggles would probably be enough for me to feel really sick and crash if doing it.



The latency on the sim is the latency of the monitor, about 5ms for a gaming monitor. Sims are good for learning muscle memory, but flying and doing tricks is more of an art form than just jamming the sticks in directions, especially if it's windy. I rarely fly sims now. I would rather charge a couple of packs and just go goof around somewhere for half an hour.

That was an interesting sequence of nausea inducing blurs!   I think I saw a tree and a field in there somewhere    A bit too psychedelic for me!

Impressive piloting though! Is that a "3D" quad (ie motors can reverse and give upward thrust) he's flying there?

AFAIK, no, just a standard quad. All of those tricks are covered on Headmazta's channel on YT if you are looking for a completely broken down guide to doing complicated tricks. It also helps having a super torquey quad that can stop on a dime and also heavy enough to carry momentum. But from his other videos I think he runs a 5" 6S 2207. My current on and off obsession is rewinds, but to do them on a quad without raw power in the low end, it's kind of hard. None of my quads have enough low end to do them. I think I would need to build a really light micro with over the top motors to get anywhere close, but might try a 2.5 with 1204 motors on 4S and see if that gets me any closer.

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