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Flamewheel F450 toiletbowl - Need help
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22-May-2017, 02:11 AM (This post was last modified: 29-May-2017, 07:19 PM by ratherbflyinmn.)
When I try to fly, I can't get past this with a hover at 3-4 feet...Any help would be greatly appreciated. The PIDS have not been adjusted. 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-BPOD...S1vdVJFLWc

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Code:
# dump
# Cleanflight / NAZE 2.0.2 Apr 22 2017 / 14:41:48 (4328b13)
name F 450 Flamewheel
resource BEEPER 1 A12
resource MOTOR 1 A08
resource MOTOR 2 A11
resource MOTOR 3 B06
resource MOTOR 4 B07
resource MOTOR 5 B08
resource MOTOR 6 B09
resource MOTOR 7 NONE
resource MOTOR 8 NONE
resource MOTOR 9 NONE
resource MOTOR 10 NONE
resource MOTOR 11 NONE
resource MOTOR 12 NONE
resource SERVO 1 NONE
resource SERVO 2 NONE
resource SERVO 3 NONE
resource SERVO 4 NONE
resource SERVO 5 NONE
resource SERVO 6 NONE
resource SERVO 7 NONE
resource SERVO 8 NONE
resource PPM 1 A00
resource PWM 1 A00
resource PWM 2 A01
resource PWM 3 A02
resource PWM 4 A03
resource PWM 5 A06
resource PWM 6 A07
resource PWM 7 B00
resource PWM 8 B01
resource LED_STRIP 1 A06
resource SERIAL_TX 1 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 3 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 4 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 6 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_TX 11 A07
resource SERIAL_TX 12 B01
resource SERIAL_RX 1 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 2 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 3 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 4 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 5 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 6 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 7 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 8 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 9 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 10 NONE
resource SERIAL_RX 11 A06
resource SERIAL_RX 12 B00
mixer QUADX

mmix reset

servo 0 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 1 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 2 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 3 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 4 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 5 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 6 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
servo 7 1000 2000 1500 100 -1
smix reset


feature -RX_PPM
feature -VBAT
feature -INFLIGHT_ACC_CAL
feature -RX_SERIAL
feature -MOTOR_STOP
feature -SERVO_TILT
feature -SOFTSERIAL
feature -GPS
feature -FAILSAFE
feature -SONAR
feature -TELEMETRY
feature -CURRENT_METER
feature -3D
feature -RX_PARALLEL_PWM
feature -RX_MSP
feature -RSSI_ADC
feature -LED_STRIP
feature -DISPLAY
feature -OSD
feature -UNUSED
feature -CHANNEL_FORWARDING
feature -TRANSPONDER
feature -AIRMODE
feature -SDCARD
feature -VTX
feature -RX_SPI
feature -SOFTSPI
feature -ESC_SENSOR
feature -ANTI_GRAVITY
feature MOTOR_STOP
feature FAILSAFE
feature RX_PARALLEL_PWM
beeper GYRO_CALIBRATED
beeper RX_LOST
beeper RX_LOST_LANDING
beeper DISARMING
beeper ARMING
beeper ARMING_GPS_FIX
beeper BAT_CRIT_LOW
beeper BAT_LOW
beeper GPS_STATUS
beeper RX_SET
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION
beeper ACC_CALIBRATION_FAIL
beeper READY_BEEP
beeper MULTI_BEEPS
beeper DISARM_REPEAT
beeper ARMED
beeper SYSTEM_INIT
beeper ON_USB
beeper BLACKBOX_ERASE
map AETR1234
serial 0 1 115200 57600 0 115200
serial 1 0 115200 57600 0 115200
led 0 0,0::C:0
led 1 0,0::C:0
led 2 0,0::C:0
led 3 0,0::C:0
led 4 0,0::C:0
led 5 0,0::C:0
led 6 0,0::C:0
led 7 0,0::C:0
led 8 0,0::C:0
led 9 0,0::C:0
led 10 0,0::C:0
led 11 0,0::C:0
led 12 0,0::C:0
led 13 0,0::C:0
led 14 0,0::C:0
led 15 0,0::C:0
led 16 0,0::C:0
led 17 0,0::C:0
led 18 0,0::C:0
led 19 0,0::C:0
led 20 0,0::C:0
led 21 0,0::C:0
led 22 0,0::C:0
led 23 0,0::C:0
led 24 0,0::C:0
led 25 0,0::C:0
led 26 0,0::C:0
led 27 0,0::C:0
led 28 0,0::C:0
led 29 0,0::C:0
led 30 0,0::C:0
led 31 0,0::C:0
color 0 0,0,0
color 1 0,255,255
color 2 0,0,255
color 3 30,0,255
color 4 60,0,255
color 5 90,0,255
color 6 120,0,255
color 7 150,0,255
color 8 180,0,255
color 9 210,0,255
color 10 240,0,255
color 11 270,0,255
color 12 300,0,255
color 13 330,0,255
color 14 0,0,0
color 15 0,0,0
mode_color 0 0 1
mode_color 0 1 11
mode_color 0 2 2
mode_color 0 3 13
mode_color 0 4 10
mode_color 0 5 3
mode_color 1 0 5
mode_color 1 1 11
mode_color 1 2 3
mode_color 1 3 13
mode_color 1 4 10
mode_color 1 5 3
mode_color 2 0 10
mode_color 2 1 11
mode_color 2 2 4
mode_color 2 3 13
mode_color 2 4 10
mode_color 2 5 3
mode_color 3 0 8
mode_color 3 1 11
mode_color 3 2 4
mode_color 3 3 13
mode_color 3 4 10
mode_color 3 5 3
mode_color 4 0 7
mode_color 4 1 11
mode_color 4 2 3
mode_color 4 3 13
mode_color 4 4 10
mode_color 4 5 3
mode_color 5 0 9
mode_color 5 1 11
mode_color 5 2 2
mode_color 5 3 13
mode_color 5 4 10
mode_color 5 5 3
mode_color 6 0 6
mode_color 6 1 10
mode_color 6 2 1
mode_color 6 3 0
mode_color 6 4 0
mode_color 6 5 2
mode_color 6 6 3
mode_color 6 7 6
mode_color 6 8 0
mode_color 6 9 0
mode_color 6 10 0
mode_color 7 0 3
aux 0 0 0 1900 2025
aux 1 1 1 1650 1750
aux 2 2 1 1425 1575
aux 3 6 0 1175 1350
aux 4 26 2 1075 1225
aux 5 0 0 900 900
aux 6 0 0 900 900
aux 7 0 0 900 900
aux 8 0 0 900 900
aux 9 0 0 900 900
aux 10 0 0 900 900
aux 11 0 0 900 900
aux 12 0 0 900 900
aux 13 0 0 900 900
aux 14 0 0 900 900
aux 15 0 0 900 900
aux 16 0 0 900 900
aux 17 0 0 900 900
aux 18 0 0 900 900
aux 19 0 0 900 900
adjrange 0 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 1 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 2 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 3 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 4 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 5 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 6 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 7 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 8 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 9 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 10 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 11 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 12 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 13 0 0 900 900 0 0
adjrange 14 0 0 900 900 0 0
rxrange 0 974 1947
rxrange 1 974 1977
rxrange 2 998 1977
rxrange 3 974 1977
rxfail 0 a
rxfail 1 a
rxfail 2 a
rxfail 3 a
rxfail 4 h
rxfail 5 h
rxfail 6 h
rxfail 7 h
rxfail 8 h
rxfail 9 h
rxfail 10 h
rxfail 11 h
rxfail 12 h
rxfail 13 h
rxfail 14 h
rxfail 15 h
rxfail 16 h
rxfail 17 h
set align_gyro = DEFAULT
set gyro_lpf = OFF
set gyro_sync_denom = 8
set gyro_lowpass_type = PT1
set gyro_lowpass = 90
set gyro_notch1_hz = 400
set gyro_notch1_cutoff = 300
set gyro_notch2_hz = 200
set gyro_notch2_cutoff = 100
set moron_threshold = 48
set gyro_use_32khz = OFF
set gyro_isr_update = OFF
set align_acc = DEFAULT
set acc_hardware = AUTO
set acc_lpf_hz = 10
set acc_trim_pitch = 0
set acc_trim_roll = 0
set align_mag = DEFAULT
set mag_hardware = AUTO
set mag_declination = 0
set magzero_x = 65509
set magzero_y = 162
set magzero_z = 1
set baro_hardware = AUTO
set baro_tab_size = 21
set baro_noise_lpf = 600
set baro_cf_vel = 985
set baro_cf_alt = 965
set mid_rc = 1500
set min_check = 1005
set max_check = 1999
set rssi_channel = 0
set rssi_scale = 30
set rssi_invert = OFF
set rc_interp = AUTO
set rc_interp_ch = RP
set rc_interp_int = 19
set fpv_mix_degrees = 0
set max_aux_channels = 6
set serialrx_provider = SPEK1024
set sbus_inversion = ON
set spektrum_sat_bind = 0
set spektrum_sat_bind_autoreset = 1
set airmode_start_throttle = 1350
set rx_min_usec = 885
set rx_max_usec = 2115
set input_filtering_mode = OFF
set blackbox_rate_num = 1
set blackbox_rate_denom = 1
set blackbox_device = SPIFLASH
set blackbox_on_motor_test = OFF
set min_throttle = 1070
set max_throttle = 2000
set min_command = 1000
set use_unsynced_pwm = OFF
set motor_pwm_protocol = OFF
set motor_pwm_rate = 480
set motor_pwm_inversion = OFF
set thr_corr_value = 0
set thr_corr_angle = 800
set failsafe_delay = 10
set failsafe_off_delay = 10
set failsafe_throttle = 1000
set failsafe_kill_switch = OFF
set failsafe_throttle_low_delay = 100
set failsafe_procedure = DROP
set align_board_roll = 180
set align_board_pitch = 0
set align_board_yaw = 0
set gimbal_mode = NORMAL
set bat_capacity = 0
set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 43
set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 33
set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 35
set vbat_hysteresis = 1
set current_meter = NONE
set battery_meter = ADC
set bat_detect_thresh = 55
set use_vbat_alerts = ON
set use_cbat_alerts = OFF
set cbat_alert_percent = 10
set vbat_scale = 110
set ibata_scale = 400
set ibata_offset = 0
set beeper_inversion = ON
set beeper_od = OFF
set beeper_frequency = 0
set yaw_motors_reversed = OFF
set 3d_deadband_low = 1406
set 3d_deadband_high = 1514
set 3d_neutral = 1460
set 3d_deadband_throttle = 50
set servo_center_pulse = 1500
set servo_pwm_rate = 50
set servo_lowpass_hz = 0
set tri_unarmed_servo = ON
set channel_forwarding_start = 4
set reboot_character = 82
set serial_update_rate_hz = 100
set accxy_deadband = 40
set accz_deadband = 40
set acc_unarmedcal = ON
set imu_dcm_kp = 2500
set imu_dcm_ki = 0
set small_angle = 25
set auto_disarm_delay = 10
set disarm_kill_switch = ON
set gyro_cal_on_first_arm = OFF
set fixedwing_althold_reversed = OFF
set alt_hold_deadband = 40
set alt_hold_fast_change = ON
set deadband = 10
set yaw_deadband = 7
set yaw_control_reversed = OFF
set pid_process_denom = 1
set tlm_switch = OFF
set tlm_inversion = OFF
set tlm_halfduplex = ON
set frsky_default_lat = 0
set frsky_default_long = 0
set frsky_gps_format = 0
set frsky_unit = IMPERIAL
set frsky_vfas_precision = 0
set frsky_vfas_cell_voltage = OFF
set hott_alarm_int = 5
set pid_in_tlm = OFF
set ibus_report_cell_voltage = OFF
set ledstrip_visual_beeper = OFF
set task_statistics = ON
set debug_mode = NONE
profile 1

set d_lowpass_type = BIQUAD
set d_lowpass = 100
set d_notch_hz = 260
set d_notch_cut = 160
set vbat_pid_gain = OFF
set pid_at_min_throttle = ON
set anti_gravity_thresh = 350
set anti_gravity_gain = 1000
set setpoint_relax_ratio = 100
set d_setpoint_weight = 60
set yaw_accel_limit = 100
set accel_limit = 0
set iterm_windup = 50
set yaw_lowpass = 0
set pidsum_limit = 500
set pidsum_limit_yaw = 400
set p_pitch = 58
set i_pitch = 50
set d_pitch = 35
set p_roll = 44
set i_roll = 40
set d_roll = 30
set p_yaw = 70
set i_yaw = 45
set d_yaw = 20
set p_alt = 50
set i_alt = 0
set d_alt = 0
set p_level = 50
set i_level = 50
set d_level = 100
set p_vel = 55
set i_vel = 55
set d_vel = 75
set level_sensitivity = 55
set level_limit = 55
rateprofile 0

set rc_rate = 100
set rc_rate_yaw = 100
set rc_expo = 0
set rc_yaw_expo = 0
set thr_mid = 50
set thr_expo = 0
set roll_srate = 70
set pitch_srate = 70
set yaw_srate = 70
set tpa_rate = 10
set tpa_breakpoint = 1650
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22-May-2017, 05:18 PM
What can't you get past?

While a config dump and a black box log is helpful, I've no idea what your craft is (apart from the hint in the title).

What are the motors, ESCs, propellers, battery etc and very importantly, what's the all up weight?
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22-May-2017, 06:54 PM (This post was last modified: 22-May-2017, 06:56 PM by fftunes.)
And what's the main issue when you fly? I mean, i can try to imagine what you mean by "toiletbowl" but a bit of description would help. Wink

PS: will take a look at log later
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29-May-2017, 07:21 PM
I just uploaded a short video. This only happens in the stabilization modes. About to give up on this....
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01-Jun-2017, 11:46 AM
to better help you it would be great to see a list of parts you used on that quad, and photos of your build? A 450 frame is not designed for 36mm FC so would be interesting to see how you are mounting the FC on the frame, etc...
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02-Jun-2017, 04:33 AM
Here are some pictures.

https://goo.gl/photos/VmMzD7Q2kXbqgsxw8

Thank you, Oscar, for the reply. I mounted to the top of the frame upside-down and configured this in cleanflight. Right now using Turningy 9xr with flsky. Let me know if this helps. I didn't know it mattered what stay fc was used with a 450. Previously, I had Arduino APM 2.5 and switched to this after asking local hobby store what they recommended. Thanks!


(01-Jun-2017, 11:46 AM)Oscar Wrote: to better help you it would be great to see a list of parts you used on that quad, and photos of your build? A 450 frame is not designed for 36mm FC so would be interesting to see how you are mounting the FC on the frame, etc...
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02-Jun-2017, 08:28 AM
How much does all of that weigh?

What are the motors?

I guess the propellers are 10x4.5, is that correct?

What is the flight battery? 4S or 3S? What's the second, smaller battery for?
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03-Jun-2017, 03:22 PM (This post was last modified: 03-Jun-2017, 03:28 PM by fftunes.)
Just from watching first few seconds of video, my first question would be, do the escs have active braking? It looks like they don't... means, it could be that they take too long to slow down the props again which could lead to that slow wobble.

EDIT: checked pics, they are hobbywing skywalker 20a, they have a braking option but that is meant for airplanes to stop the prop at zero throttle... can't find any info about active braking, so maybe that's the problem.
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03-Jun-2017, 10:49 PM
On 2nd thought, maybe it could help to significantly lower P-term, and in turn increase I-term, in order to make the PID-sum more dominated by I-term and thus slower.

However, I-term became more dynamic in last versions of cleanflight/betaflight (means, the higher it is, the faster it reacts) so maybe it won't work very well either.
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03-Jun-2017, 11:40 PM
All good advice from fftunes. If the weight is more than the motors and propellers can actually lift though, then no amount of tuning will make it fly properly.

This is why I asked what the all up weight is, along with the other relevant data points to be able to work out if your build is too heavy. I suspect that might be the case.
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