My son got to take his first shots last weekend. He was so brave he even shot a 20ga shotgun! From a crouching position it literally knocked him on his back!  He says "Thats enough of that one!” Then the boy had enough guts to still try the 410 shotgun. He was able to stay up this time but says “that hurt. Im good on the shotguns Dad” So proud. And he learned shooting a gun in real life is much more difficult than Call Of Duty video games. 




Here is the photo of my daughters first day shooting a few years back. 

That's so awesome you are introducing the gun culture to the kids at a young age.  Hopefully they enjoy it as much as you obviously do.  We introduced all of our kids and they are shooters to this day.  It started for them/us at about 5 years old and ended for our part at 21 years old when we bought them their favorite defensive pistol.  Now they buy their own guns....  

Like most things, education is the pathway to safety as well.  Good job Steve, and thanks for sharing with all of us.

EDIT:  What is the rifle your son is holding?  Love seeing he has eyes/ears/ and an indexed trigger finger...Bravo!

(10-Dec-2019, 05:10 PM)Krohsis Wrote: That's so awesome you are introducing the gun culture to the kids at a young age.  Hopefully they enjoy it as much as you obviously do.  We introduced all of our kids and they are shooters to this day.  It started for them/us at about 5 years old and ended for our part at 21 years old when we bought them their favorite defensive pistol.  Now they buy their own guns....  

Like most things, education is the pathway to safety as well.  Good job Steve, and thanks for sharing with all of us.

EDIT:  What is the rifle your son is holding?  Love seeing he has eyes/ears/ and an indexed trigger finger...Bravo!

That’s awesome John! That is my hope as well for my kids.
It was a great learning experience too. For all the safety drilling I gave them the days before. I never actually talked about what to do if the gun messes up. The gun he is holding in a .22LR which had a couple failure to feeds and a stove pipe, which made for a great safety lesson.

Fantastic. I love seeing the next generation carrying on that most valuable tradition. Well done sir.

Remember, without the 2nd, the rest would be taken away....

Deal

p.s. Now you need a suppressor or two and you can ditch the uncomfortable ear protection....

(11-Dec-2019, 12:09 PM)Deal-E-O Wrote: Remember, without the 2nd, the rest would be taken away....

Truth!!

Deal

p.s.  Now you need a suppressor or two and you can ditch the uncomfortable ear protection....



We were getting close to be able to buy suppressors without a tax stamp, but the political climate changed in 2018, and that seems lost.   

(11-Dec-2019, 12:09 PM)Deal-E-O Wrote: Fantastic. I love seeing the next generation carrying on that most valuable tradition. Well done sir.

Remember, without the 2nd, the rest would be taken away....

Deal

p.s. Now you need a suppressor or two and you can ditch the uncomfortable ear protection....

So true Deal, so true.

Target practice get a BB gun.... Guns are for killing. Children are incapable of understanding the rawness of gun shot death (as well as most adults) because they don't have the experience necessary.

THIS is what guns do. And until someone understands this they shouldn't be allowed access. If you can give a kid a gun, yet can't show them this video, then that should tell you something.

That little girl who shot the uzi and couldn't control it (because she was a little girl) and shot her instructor in the head is gonna have to live with that the rest of her life.... She had no concept of the reality of the situation until the instructors brains were splattered on her face and unfortunately that's how she was made to understand and it proly is gonna haunt her for the rest of her life...

To put a child in that type of situation to learn such a harsh life lesson of death is f*cked. That's why we show teenagers the aftermath of car wrecks before they get a license, so that they can grasp the reality how dangerous cars are and what they can do! It should be the same for guns... in fact it should be prioritized HIGHER!

Anyway, putting a machine of death in the hands of someone who doesn't have the capability of truly understanding the concept of death is probably not the right thing to do.... That's my opinion. 

Just to clarify, I'm not against guns in our societies current context....  People should be able to own guns, but they should also have to be screened first... it should at least be harder to get a gun than to get a license. Anyway this isn't the point of my post and a whole different discussion.

Edit: And as for the 2nd amendment...... It means nothing anymore. It's never gonna happen where a grass roots militia is gonna have the firepower to overthrow the U.S government.

People should be able to own whatever they want unless they are hurting people or mentally unstable.... but the second amendment has no bearing on our current situation anymore at all.
Until grassroots militas get ahold of jets, tanks, attack choppers, SAMs rocket launchers etc etc in the quantity of thousands. AND has enough people to train others to be able to operate them all with the goal of overthrowing the US gov THEN the second amendment can be discussed as something that means something.

(12-Dec-2019, 12:58 PM)bLoWsMokE Wrote: Target practice get a BB gun.... Guns are for killing. Children are incapable of understanding the rawness of gun shot death (as well as most adults) because they don't have the experience necessary.

THIS is what guns do. And until someone understands this they shouldn't be allowed access. If you can give a kid a gun, yet can't show them this video, then that should tell you something.

That little girl who shot the uzi and couldn't control it (because she was a little girl) and shot her instructor in the head is gonna have to live with that the rest of her life.... She had no concept of the reality of the situation until the instructors brains were splattered on her face and unfortunately that's how she was made to understand and it proly is gonna haunt her for the rest of her life...

To put a child in that type of situation to learn such a harsh life lesson of death is f*cked. That's why we show teenagers the aftermath of car wrecks before they get a license, so that they can grasp the reality how dangerous cars are and what they can do! It should be the same for guns... in fact it should be prioritized HIGHER!

Anyway, putting a machine of death in the hands of someone who doesn't have the capability of truly understanding the concept of death is probably not the right thing to do.... That's my opinion. 

Just to clarify, I'm not against guns in our societies current context....  People should be able to own guns, but they should also have to be screened first... it should at least be harder to get a gun than to get a license. Anyway this isn't the point of my post and a whole different discussion.

Edit: And as for the 2nd amendment...... It means nothing anymore. It's never gonna happen where a grass roots militia is gonna have the firepower to overthrow the U.S government.

People should be able to own whatever they want unless they are hurting people or mentally unstable.... but the second amendment has no bearing on our current situation anymore at all.
Until grassroots militas get ahold of jets, tanks, attack choppers, SAMs rocket launchers etc etc in the quantity of thousands. AND has enough people to train others to be able to operate them all with the goal of overthrowing the US gov THEN the second amendment can be discussed as something that means something.

Hey Smoke, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  And clearly you're not a fan of guns.  That's fine.  I'm betting you are part of a majority here on the forum that are not pro gun.  But in future at least have a lucid argument.  Maybe all that Ganja you smoke is clouding your synapses, because the level of ignorance in your post is just outstanding.

Have you ever heard the saying "it is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool, or speak and leave no doubt"?  

As far as your assertion that a grassroots upswell of citizens in the US against an out of control government is doomed from the start doesn't jive with history.  You may want to look at Afghanistan as only one or several examples where you are wrong.  Ten years the Taliban held off Russia, and for nearly 20 years they have held off the USA.  No tanks, no attack choppers, no B1 bombers.....

So if you want to have a debate on this topic, it probably is better suited on a anti-gun forum.  Coming here and    on DroneofPrey's post about a bonding event with his children is just poor judgement.

Okay.  I can't do it.  I was going to remain silent.  But I cannot.  This is not your thread to bitch and moan about your political views.  If you don't like the subject, then remain silent.  Just because you fall for the mainstream narrative that all guns are bad doesn't mean you have to come to this thread and spew your drivel.  As mentioned, a lot of the members of this forum are probably not fans of guns.  And that is fine, but nobody else cries when the rare gun photo or conversation comes up.

I try not to get involved in subjects that I know nothing about, or that I cannot contribute positively to.  I suggest you do the same things.  

And with that, I leave you with some more gun pictures.  All are 100% LEGAL.


AK-74, RPK, M4, and Uzi.  All completely legal, and all full-auto.


Again, all legal.

And if these posts/pictures change how someone here feels about me negatively, that's their loss.

Deal

(12-Dec-2019, 02:32 PM)Deal-E-O Wrote: And if these posts/pictures change how someone here feels about me negatively, that's their loss.

Deal

Well it sure changed how I feel about you!  I think I'm in love!

Whoa, back up brother, hehe.

Deal

(12-Dec-2019, 02:01 PM)Krohsis Wrote: Hey Smoke, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  And clearly you're not a fan of guns.  That's fine.  I'm betting you are part of a majority here on the forum that are not pro gun.  But in future at least have a lucid argument.  Maybe all that Ganja you smoke is clouding your synapses, because the level of ignorance in your post is just outstanding.

Have you ever heard the saying "it is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool, or speak and leave no doubt"?  

As far as your assertion that a grassroots upswell of citizens in the US against an out of control government is doomed from the start doesn't jive with history.  You may want to look at Afghanistan as only one or several examples where you are wrong.  Ten years the Taliban held off Russia, and for nearly 20 years they have held off the USA.  No tanks, no attack choppers, no B1 bombers.....

So if you want to have a debate on this topic, it probably is better suited on a anti-gun forum.  Coming here and    on DroneofPrey's post about a bonding event with his children is just poor judgement.

I am a fan of guns actually. Just don't think a child is capable of understanding the implications. Like I said, if you think a child is too immature/young to see the video I posted, then they shouldn't be allowed to shoot light machine guns, and assault weapons.

And Afghanastan has been holding off invaders for a LOT longer than 20 years..... But holding off and overthrowing are completely different things. Also Afghanastan is on our side.... or more accurately we are on their side (well let's not get into all the minutia there) we help the afghan gov fight off the Talaban... Who wants to overthrow the afghan government, but can't due to lack of training and firepower. 

The Taliban force recruits children, and more turn to the taliban out of anger. They haven't really "held us off" they're just surviving and repopulating as soon as we leave. They haven't even taken over the afghan government whos military is a far cry from ours.... To compare Afghanastan to America is just off. I'm tkling about here in America it would never happen in a million years.... The only way it would happen is if there was a some sort of organized rebellion within the US military on a large scale, and that would never happen.. remember they defend the U.S from threats both foreign AND domestic.

It seems like every single thing I've ever said that you guys feel is controversial gets misinterpreted.... I never once said I was against guns, and even alluded to the opposite. I am against people with mental illness owning guns but that seems to be a popular position overall. 80% of Americans agree with this. 

My post is about children and guns. My opinion on guns and children is in line with my opinion on sex and children... it's the same thing. Children are capable of both, but it's about the psychological impact these things have on a childs mind. They simply aren't old enough to be able to handle the implications. Same with driving. A child might physically be able to drive, but it's silly to allow one behind the wheel.

I wanna say that most kids who would see that video along with others similar to those would proly not WANT to touch a gun again (although, even then it's still a child who might not be capable of understanding until their brain is fully developed). I'd be willing to bet you that that little girl who inadvertently shot that dude in the head no more than a foot away from her own probably will not want to shoot any more guns after that. It's because the reality of it has most likely sunk in after seeing the fully grown man she was just having a good time with instantly dead, by her hand, in a pool of blood. 

My opinions are nuanced and not black and white and that seems to be hard for a lot of people to understand. I don't think people should be able to have guns because of the 2nd amendment, I've given my assertions on that point.... I think people should be able to have guns because people should be able to do whatever the hell they want (if it doesn't hurt anyone else or interfere with any ones lives).... period. I think drugs should be completely legal for the same reason. it's easier to argue for THAT even since someone doing drugs themselves has far less potential of hurting someone then someone owning assault rifles. Now, my opinion OF PEOPLE who DO own a militias worth of guns is also another story, and I won't go into that as I'm not trying to be inflammatory  

My main point was for you to watch that video and ask yourself "do I want my kid seeing this". And to think about the implication of your answer to that question in context of letting a 4 year old play with a machine specifically made for doing exactly what that video shows.

Far too often kids join the military cuz they think it's cool and fun to play with guns... until their friends brains are all over their uniform and it finally sinks in that this shit is f*ckin real and they all of a sudden don't think it's so cool anymore. I've known people (person) who were shot in the face with assault weapons... I've had a gun pointed at me (although I found out later it was fake, but it wasn't to me at the time). I've driven frantically away from a guy who pulled a gun out of his waist after robbing my friend who was in my car (that time I didn't wait around to see if it got pointed)...... my point is that fully understand the gravity of what a gun is and all too often I see and hear from people who don't. (not talking about anyone here as I don't know you good enough to make such a judgement) and without hesitation I can say there are very VERY few CHILDREN who do.

The crazy thing about this all is that I had a vivid dream of getting robbed at gun point last night ;D  maybe that's why I wrote anything at all come to think of it.

(12-Dec-2019, 12:58 PM)bLoWsMokE Wrote: Target practice get a BB gun.... Guns are for killing. Children are incapable of understanding the rawness of gun shot death (as well as most adults) because they don't have the experience necessary.

To be clear, my children absolutely know the difference of life, death and killing. When asked if heroes are real, my answer explains what a "real life hero" is and what they do for their country and what that sacrifice can ultimately mean. Not some hollywood/Marvel fantasy.

How else do you gain experience except for training or learning from those more experienced..... hence the reason we all joined a Quadcopter/FPV forum. 

Is it a machine made for killing... Absolutely and so is a fishing pole when used to put meat on the table. My children know what it means to kill by way of hunting and gathering. A skill lost by most of today's individuals.

Also if you believe the 2nd amendment isn't relevant today, take a look at what happened in Virginia.  We are the quiet majority I believe.