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Chameleon5 from armattanquads getting more confident..
#1
I'm a bad forum member.
I sucked up a huge amount of enormously useful information from members I still don't know how to thank properly,
and then I've disappeared behind my workbench and built, and built, and built..
..and flew, and flew, and flew..
Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
So for now, I'm just posting this video - exclusively for the forum - as if it was anything special.
It really isn't, but it expresses joy in playing with surroundings,
and since making progress is one of the most enjoyable experiences in life,
aaanndd fpv quads means continuous improvement, thus progress,
it's no wonder this hobby makes truly happy! Tongue Heart



P.S.: WATCH THE SOUND!! - SORRY!!!
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Nice! I didn't realize it until the end, but that's all one cut isn't it? 4 min? That's a ton of flight time... I am jealous...

The places over there that you fly at are amazing! it's always fun to see your videos buddy.
carl.vegas
Current Quads: Operational: Diatone GT2 200 In need of repair: Bumble Bee, tehStein,  Slightly modified Vortex 250 
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(15-Sep-2017, 10:38 AM)Carl.Vegas Wrote: Nice! I didn't realize it until the end, but that's all one cut isn't it? 4 min? That's a ton of flight time... I am jealous...

The places over there that you fly at are amazing! it's always fun to see your videos buddy.

Heart Thaaaanx,
that went down like balm! Heart Big Grin
Yup, I don't really have editing software, so I generally just cut off front and end bits, but can't really do editing. Guess that's working for my flight discipline ROFL
I really like flying with my 4s 1800mah 60C lipos, plenty of punch, flight time sort of "secure", and weight is tolerable. Amps over Gold, my man!
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(15-Sep-2017, 11:57 AM)campagnium Wrote: Heart Thaaaanx,
that went down like balm! Heart Big Grin
Yup, I don't really have editing software, so I generally just cut off front and end bits, but can't really do editing. Guess that's working for my flight discipline ROFL
I really like flying with my 4s 1800mah 60C lipos, plenty of punch, flight time sort of "secure", and weight is tolerable. Amps over Gold, my man!

Discipline? what's that? I can't even imagine flying with discipline! The only discipline I use is a bit is around safety. Once nobody is going to get hurt the rest is out the window... then again that's probably part of why I cant keep batteries very long :p

As for editing, there are some pretty affordable packages out there and even some free software around. What really ended up being a bigger problem for me was my hardware. I eventually bought a whole new computer just to be able to edit videos lol (well that and because it's nice to have an excuse to buy a new computer).
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Current Quads: Operational: Diatone GT2 200 In need of repair: Bumble Bee, tehStein,  Slightly modified Vortex 250 
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#5
The mad surgeon returns! Big Grin

Nice flying and what a great location. Glad to hear that you built a Chameleon. It certainly looks like you are enjoying it!

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(15-Sep-2017, 05:56 PM)unseen Wrote: The mad surgeon returns! Big Grin

Nice flying and what a great location. Glad to hear that you built a Chameleon. It certainly looks like you are enjoying it!

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Heya, my Master of boards and bits! Smile
Thank you, indeed I love my chameleon - it's my flying sofa, "cuddly flying"! Wink
Little side-note: I still haven't overcome my micro-angst! ROFL ROFL ROFL
..a furious fpv moskito, an emax babyhawk (..and changed escs and fc...) later, I still have no operational micro. But components are ready now, there are soo many 20x20 stacks that I think I can't avoid a proper micro-build soon.
How about the ultralight-craze? Has it caught up on you yet?
For me it's kinda difficult, with my marked fancy for heavy, efficient motors.. Cry But I'm thoroughly tempted, I must say! Writing to Justin from flyrcnow.com he's tickling my curiosity w the upcoming frame from Nick, to be equipped w 180X motor even for 5 inch and so on..
On such a build, my gopro would contribute a third of the UAW!.. I wonder how that will influence the undoubtedly very attractive and floaty superlight flying characteristics. I fear it might turn out like..
..well, something superlight that you strap some massive extra weight to. My big, fat 6 inch quads don't mind a gopro, that's just a sixth of the UAW.. Thinking
Be well and read you soon, happyhappy flying!!
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Really nice flying and what a cool place! Thumbs Up   I'm curious....based on where you were standing and the overall flight path of the quad, it looks as though you had LOS blocked several items by thick vegetation.  Did you have any trouble with either your radio signal OR your flight video feed?  I also fly through thick vegetation much of the time and I am trying to get ideas to maximize my range without breaking the bank for more sophisticated equipment.  I would be interested to know what your gear is, the power setting for the VTX and just how well it worked, if you don't mind sharing.  Thanks and again...great video ! Big Grin
"Damn the torpedoes!!!  Full speed ahead!!!"
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(15-Sep-2017, 05:56 PM)unseen Wrote: The mad surgeon returns! Big Grin

Nice flying and what a great location. Glad to hear that you built a Chameleon. It certainly looks like you are enjoying it!

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Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin  You know that it was your post to leave that itching picture of desire in my head..  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
I adore my chameleon(s). Of course, I needed a backup for my beloved 5 inch, and indeed, I'm flying w No.2 at the moment.. Confused
The usual, ever-returning subject of frail collaboration balance on a fc board  ROFL
I finally got an oscilloscope, but I still have to find time to do my homework in order to use it properly. I just can't stand being so blindfolded in front of all the oscillating currents and potentials, I *know* that it's happening, but that's fairly metaphysical and far from comparable, so..  Whistling
My frsky rf module reliably doesn't want to collaborate with me neither. I finally had the occasion to compare the range of my radio in identical setups with friends, and - independently from the Rx - my radio doesn't perform as my friend's.
Of course, we should have swapped radios in order to see whether the effect of "personalised electrostatic discharge" was acting during the build or the flight (..or both?),
and I know this is far off - to me too,
but out in the field, I had my chameleon6 (xsr) drop out of the sky right 150m LOS in front of me, idem Helix7.
The effect of decreased range wasn't constant, but kept returning with the Alien (xsr) as well as the obsession stretch (x4rsb).
Interestingly, the range was best on the Helix6 (1&2, identical!), which were - oh irony - sporting xm+!
The delivered models of the Rx varied/updated over time, but I started keeping the "good" Rx, independently from their "quality".
I have changed the band recently, and - voilà - I get some range I can work with too, finally!

We return to one of our common very first assumptions,
which was and is that consciously planning, building and tuning a quad for a certain purpose is nothing but art.

Enjoy the next aerial caprioles of artistic expression, everyone! Smile
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(16-Sep-2017, 07:10 PM)sirdude Wrote: Really nice flying and what a cool place! Thumbs Up   I'm curious....based on where you were standing and the overall flight path of the quad, it looks as though you had LOS blocked several items by thick vegetation.  Did you have any trouble with either your radio signal OR your flight video feed?  I also fly through thick vegetation much of the time and I am trying to get ideas to maximize my range without breaking the bank for more sophisticated equipment.  I would be interested to know what your gear is, the power setting for the VTX and just how well it worked, if you don't mind sharing.  Thanks and again...great video ! Big Grin

Hiya Mr. Sir Sirdude, Sir.. Big Grin
Ah.. - visuals..
I fear we both could write books on the subject, and a lot of people already have.
I find atmospheric influence enormous.
Humid air not only is harder to penetrate, but the water in the atmosphere does something with the whole environment,
the tree's leaves are coated and swollen and make the vegetation even thicker.
So a dry day is certainly easier to fly with..
I found that I got the best reception (..in the beginning especially w my radio, which I had plenty of troubles with..) when I stand on top of a hillock or have some downhill in front of me - even if it is just a couple of meters. I really try to stand right at the border of the angulated plane in front of me: I imagine that, like this, the radiowaves are more likely to be reflected in direction of the copter (instead of bouncing straight up from the pavement and creating weird interference patterns..)
I sported "crappy" fpv equipment for a while, so I got used to mediocre-lower visual quality first,
then I played around with antennas for a while,
but recently I fell upon the vas antennas (ib crazy, airscrew and mad mushroom) and they really did a lot to improve picture quality and stability. I built a ground station, but I must admit that I use it only rarely. Instead of that I strap bigger and bigger antennas to my furiousfpv trued diversity Rx.
You're right, in the video I lose visual contact a couple of times, that's sort of like "dropping into the blind" in a very controlled fashion. You have to make sure that you know the position of your aircraft by heart, without visuals. Of course not for a long time, just 2-6 seconds, but those can be pretty scary  Cry
When you know the terrain, what you can do is set yourself up in a way that you "see" through the whole maneuver and practice it a couple of times. You will remember the timing of the controls when you fly the same spot from another "control location". Eventually you piece those "drops and catches" together..
Before you fly into the unknown, beware! Poop
Always do inspection flights first, and basically a spotter would be necessary. Never fly "blind" into spots that you can't throttle out of.
Sorry if I'm so basic, but it's more like I'm repeating the rules to myself Big Grin
Yesterday was the first time I flew with the vas pepperbox and the magic mushroom,
and the jump in range and quality is remarkable! - I can only begin to imagine, what will be possible with those..
The equipment the "pros" use, well..
There would be tons of stuff, but it depends a lot on how and what you want to fly.
I prefer my fpv equipment very mobile with quick setup, out of obvious reasons ROFL
Ah, yes, VTx:
I've tried a lot, and went nuts over cheap stuff from we all know where,
then rigorously bought the high-end-stuff (tbs, immersionrc - ouch!), but most of my fc's don't want the dialogue with smartaudio, sooo..
I'm basically just as happy w the armattan lr800, which they say looks identical to the dys 200 or smt similar, well I like armattanquads, and the price is very reasonable! I'm not sure they are in stock right now, though..
That's about it,
if you have questions left, or your experience to add, would be great!
Successful airtime!
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(17-Sep-2017, 01:40 AM)campagnium Wrote: Hiya Mr. Sir Sirdude, Sir.. Big Grin
Ah.. - visuals..
I fear we both could write books on the subject, and a lot of people already have.
I find atmospheric influence enormous.
Humid air not only is harder to penetrate, but the water in the atmosphere does something with the whole environment,
the tree's leaves are coated and swollen and make the vegetation even thicker.
So a dry day is certainly easier to fly with..
I found that I got the best reception (..in the beginning especially w my radio, which I had plenty of troubles with..) when I stand on top of a hillock or have some downhill in front of me - even if it is just a couple of meters. I really try to stand right at the border of the angulated plane in front of me: I imagine that, like this, the radiowaves are more likely to be reflected in direction of the copter (instead of bouncing straight up from the pavement and creating weird interference patterns..)
I sported "crappy" fpv equipment for a while, so I got used to mediocre-lower visual quality first,
then I played around with antennas for a while,
but recently I fell upon the vas antennas (ib crazy, airscrew and mad mushroom) and they really did a lot to improve picture quality and stability. I built a ground station, but I must admit that I use it only rarely. Instead of that I strap bigger and bigger antennas to my furiousfpv trued diversity Rx.
You're right, in the video I lose visual contact a couple of times, that's sort of like "dropping into the blind" in a very controlled fashion. You have to make sure that you know the position of your aircraft by heart, without visuals. Of course not for a long time, just 2-6 seconds, but those can be pretty scary  Cry
When you know the terrain, what you can do is set yourself up in a way that you "see" through the whole maneuver and practice it a couple of times. You will remember the timing of the controls when you fly the same spot from another "control location". Eventually you piece those "drops and catches" together..
Before you fly into the unknown, beware! Poop
Always do inspection flights first, and basically a spotter would be necessary. Never fly "blind" into spots that you can't throttle out of.
Sorry if I'm so basic, but it's more like I'm repeating the rules to myself Big Grin
Yesterday was the first time I flew with the vas pepperbox and the magic mushroom,
and the jump in range and quality is remarkable! - I can only begin to imagine, what will be possible with those..
The equipment the "pros" use, well..
There would be tons of stuff, but it depends a lot on how and what you want to fly.
I prefer my fpv equipment very mobile with quick setup, out of obvious reasons ROFL
Ah, yes, VTx:
I've tried a lot, and went nuts over cheap stuff from we all know where,
then rigorously bought the high-end-stuff (tbs, immersionrc - ouch!), but most of my fc's don't want the dialogue with smartaudio, sooo..
I'm basically just as happy w the armattan lr800, which they say looks identical to the dys 200 or smt similar, well I like armattanquads, and the price is very reasonable! I'm not sure they are in stock right now, though..
That's about it,
if you have questions left, or your experience to add, would be great!
Successful airtime!
I have had much the same experiences.  I too built a ground station first, but switched to goggles because I got tired of dragging the thing around.  I use it primarly now for testing and set up while the quad is on the bench.  I think you're a little ahead of the curve I'm on when it comes to quality of equipment....but I'm learning.  I have a cheapo VTX on my Tweaker (Don't even remember what brand it was), but that one works far better then the TBS I just installed on my Chameleon.  I think the one on the Tweaker is running about 100 mW more then the  TBS though. The TBS is set at 200mw. With the Tweaker I fly over my house drop down to about 4 feet off the ground and down the driveway  through heavy vegetation for about 400 feet before quality of the video forces me to turn back.  I also start getting RSSI warnings about the same time (I think that is the position of my ant's. on the quad more then anything else).  With the TBS, I lose the video as soon as I drop down on the other side of the house.  Grrrr.

You're right about flying "blind".  I have a couple of places that I totally lose the feed for 2 or three seconds.  Got to know your area and what the machine is gonna do given the stick inputs.  The pucker factor is a 10 for sure until the static starts to clear and I can make adjustments.

I've tried most of the ant. you mentioned, but the one I've found that works best for me is the Pagoda-2.  Made a huge difference!!

Thanks for sharing your experiences, it is appreciated.  IF you have any questions let me know. Smile
"Damn the torpedoes!!!  Full speed ahead!!!"
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