I know that a lot of the members are from the UK and Europe. I don't really to discuss politics. But I am curious how some of you guys feel about Brexit. My good friend from England thinks it was a big mistake.

Yeesh, get ready for some opinions. In terms of divisiveness and strength-of-feeling Brexit is pretty much Britain's Trump.

Personally, I think it's a terrible idea. The cost in terms of international relations and trade is massive, and I have no idea what people think we're getting in return.

I'm not about to get into a heated political debate but it was all the old fogies and racists in this country who voted to leave, thus denying future generations the opportunities they deserve and had being an EU member state. Not to mention others in the EU who were also given life changing opportunities in the UK as well.

Most of those people who voted leave will be dead within the next couple of decades, and that clown of a prime minister we have will be long gone out of office, so hopefully sometime in the future the intelligent youngsters who take over will reverse the mistake that's been made and take us back in to the EU. We can only hope.

I hope the people who voted to leave end up being substantially worse off financially. There have already been plenty of job cuts as a result, and there will be a load more to come, so it's already backfired on some of the people who voted to leave. Good.

I didn't watch any of the BS celebrations last night and if anyone gives me one of those BLX new "Brexit" 50 pence coins in my change, that the government wasted taxpayers money producing, they will get them right back

There you go, I said my piece

(01-Feb-2020, 10:36 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: I'm not about to get into a heated political debate 

Wow!  Glad you weren't going to get into it....!    

With two words from Banelle, "Britain's Trump" I can totally relate.

@Snow, your sentiment is pretty much on par with how my friend feels. Best of luck to you guys.

(01-Feb-2020, 06:23 PM)voodoo614 Wrote: With two words from Banelle, "Britain's Trump" I can totally relate.

 

Or Britain's Obama, depending on perspective....

(01-Feb-2020, 01:52 PM)Krohsis Wrote: Wow!  Glad you weren't going to get into it....!    

This is nothing...you just need to light the blue touch paper and then you'll really see me rip  

Once there was the great British Empire, then there was the UK - a member state of the great European Union, now there is just a standalone island left with little influence in the world. Well done David Cameron for starting the destruction of everything good, and well done BoJo for finishing the job

BoJo the Clown and Trump should go on a vacation together. Then they can both just collaborate with dividing the world and get on with planning the continued destruction of society.

I understand the Brexit deal fairly well in the nuts and bolts of the system, but I certainly don't know what the common man thinks, well until now, Snow.     I do know I studied economics and I thought the European Union idea was a good deal for the weak members and a   deal for the strong ones.     

What is still an oddity for me is how and why Europeans have real strong opinions on the politics of the USA.  For the most part US politics have little to do with the common man in Europe, but boy the Trump haters are thick over there.

I can tell you this.  Obama was a guy that you could have a beer with.  But as a president, he was horrible.  I could wax on for many paragraphs about how poor he was for so many, and ironically even for African Americans, all backed with facts not opinion.  And I can say as a old guy, having lived under presidents since Eisenhower to Trump, Trump has had a more positive effect on this country than any other president in my lifetime.  Do I want to go have a beer with him, no way.  As a person, he is a bit of an ass.  But as a president, he is second to none.  But, for me on this thread topic is why do so many outside the USA give a damn who our prez is?  It's just weird.  I don't care much about Boris or the Royal family, why do Brits and Europeans care about Donald??  

Oh well, I guess neither Trump nor Johnson will do much to help with our trials and tribulations on flying UAVs, so screw 'em both, on that we can agree, huh?!!

In my opinion, one of the reasons is that Trump is getting a lot of media attention over here - I live in Czech republic now, but it was the same when I lived in Finland.
Nearly every time he does anything, whether posts some controversial tweet or deals some other business, media write about it in the headlines. So there is a constant exposure on him in our media.
Another thing is that during the elections and the campaigns before, it was a heavily discussed and press-covered topic, once again. And since Trump is a very controversial person, especially to become a president of one of the most powerful countries in the world, the media was again trying to squeeze the heck out of the topic, constantly pouring serious and not-so-serious information about him on us and so on. So once again, I'd blame the media
Plus, everyone here knows that he has the red button he can press to send out the nukes and bring the world to the WWIII, right?

I think the reason that so many people outside the US have strong opinions on Trump is not only from the media circus of publicity he gets, but being the leader of a superpower some of the decisions and actions he makes don't just affect the US, but can also have an impact on other countries or the world as a whole. Some are good, some are bad, but the fact that every word Trump utters appears in the media in one form or another whether deemed by Trump as "fake news" or not means that everyone gets to hear about it. Not helped by the fact that he seems to be somewhat of a motormouth who is intent on using his own personal Twitter account to publicise his thoughts and views, sometimes without putting his brain into gear first before pressing the "send" button. So that sometimes also doesn't really help the situation. When you see some of those statements coming from someone who is in charge of the 3rd largest country in the world, you can understand why other people start taking notice and forming strong opinions/views.

A lot of other leaders in the world also make bad decisions that affect others, but the difference is that any of that "dirty laundry" isn't constantly aired in public. I'm sure that other than Brexit and what is going on with the Royal family, people outside the UK probably don't get to hear much else about what is going on in the UK. Likewise with other countries. I know more about what is going on in the US than the likes of what is going on in France, Germany, Spain and other European countries that are just a short distance away.

I also want to know WTF Trump wanted with our NHS system. I know he now says he's no longer interested but I'll believe that when I see it. BoJo had better not crumble and end up being a sell-out. Trump should keep the F out of other countries national interests before he also ruins things for the rest of us.

I'm happy for others to air their views about our own prime minister. I think BoJo is a complete and incompetent idiot anyway, so anything others think about him can't be much worse

Anyway, I said I wasn't going to end up in a heated political debate and I've done exactly the opposite, so I will stop now

There are two discussion topics that should be kept firmly off this forum -> politics and guns.

As a footnote however, if we were to get a trade deal with the US which means I won't have to pay extortionate shipping charges, or import duties and tax on stuff that I would like to purchase from RDQ and GetFPV etc. then I might just change some of my views

(02-Feb-2020, 10:44 AM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: There are two discussion topics that should be kept firmly off this forum -> politics and guns.

I would disagree.  What needs to be done is exercise self control when responding.  And that seems to be handled well by most here.  If you start prohibiting topics because it might tighten someone up, in today's society, pretty soon we won't be able to talk about anything.  

Thanks for the responses.

(02-Feb-2020, 02:14 PM)Krohsis Wrote: I would disagree.  What needs to be done is exercise self control when responding.  And that seems to be handled well by most here.  If you start prohibiting topics because it might tighten someone up, in today's society, pretty soon we won't be able to talk about anything.

OK, point taken and no disrespect meant, so apologies if I caused some offence with my response because that wasn't my intention. I just strongly believe that an international FPV forum is no place for certain topics, that is all, and I 100% won't acknowledge or engage in topics that I consider to be inappropriate. I'm not the boss however, so I don't get to decide. That is just my opinion and probably one shared by quite a few other international members on here too.

(02-Feb-2020, 06:41 PM)SnowLeopardFPV Wrote: OK, point taken and no disrespect meant, so apologies if I caused some offence with my response because that wasn't my intention. I just strongly believe that an international FPV forum is no place for certain topics, that is all, and I 100% won't acknowledge or engage in topics that I consider to be inappropriate. I'm not the boss however, so I don't get to decide. That is just my opinion and probably one shared by quite a few other international members on here too.

Absolutely no need to apologize.  You were not out of line in any way.  And I couldn't agree more with the sentiment, don't engage on a topic if you don't want too, just like changing the channel, move along.  We have very little discussion that goes into the areas that you are sensitive to or other potentially controversial topics.  It would be a shame to put up a block on a subject matter where it hasn't created a significant kerfuffle.

Brexit is just one of many manifestations we are seeing all around the world of this populist pandering made popular by the likes of Trump and Boris. Make no mistake, it is a poisonous and self destructive overall policy meant to accomplish only one thing: electoral results. And "blaming" these asshats is really quite illlogical. Afterall, they are only catering to a support base that has long existed. Add to this the democratization (wow pun so not intended) of communication made possible by social media, these once voiceless ignorant many now have a voice. Truly a confluence of a crapstorm.

But as intellectually insulting and common decency violating these two exemplars of douchebaggery are, they have managed to accomplish one thing very well: shine a light on the level of ignorance and sheer bigotry that is alive and well in even our most so-called "developed" countries.

(02-Feb-2020, 09:05 PM)the.ronin Wrote:  ignorance and sheer bigotry that is alive and well 

And even outside the classic forms of each....