I want your guys opinion on which frame is better for racing/freestyle.

Alien: http://store.rotorriot.com/impulse-rc-alien-rr5-kit/

QAV: http://www.getfpv.com/qav210-carbon-fibe...opter.html


This is what im thinking of using with either frame: KISS FC, KISS 24A ESC and Lumenier 2206 2350kv.

I currently have 2x QAV210's and a 5" Alien (with full KISS setup and the Lumenier 2206's you listed).

I have to say that I love the QAV210 frame, and still prefer it over the Alien. It's a little smaller and takes a beating without issues, mounting options are well thought through and again I have to say it's just reliable.

Personally, whilst the KISS setup is smooth, my QAV210 with DYS SE2205's and DYS XS20A's are far better. I've also had terrible experiences with Flyduino support and am still waiting for a faulty FC to be confirmed faulty and replaced. In my humble opinion, the KISS setup, whilst still good kit, has been superseded by Betaflight and BLheli_S.

My recommendation, go for the QAV210 and save yourself some money by skipping the KISS and Lumenier's

(24-Aug-2016, 01:06 PM)Sigloss Wrote: I currently have 2x QAV210's and a 5" Alien (with full KISS setup and the Lumenier 2206's you listed).

I have to say that I love the QAV210 frame, and still prefer it over the Alien. It's a little smaller and takes a beating without issues, mounting options are well thought through and again I have to say it's just reliable.

Personally, whilst the KISS setup is smooth, my QAV210 with DYS SE2205's and DYS XS20A's are far better. I've also had terrible experiences with Flyduino support and am still waiting for a faulty FC to be confirmed faulty and replaced. In my humble opinion, the KISS setup, whilst still good kit, has been superseded by Betaflight and BLheli_S.

My recommendation, go for the QAV210 and save yourself some money by skipping the KISS and Lumenier's

Ok Thankyou

It is my first build so one of the reasons I like the Alien is because its so easy to build and comes with so much stuff that you don't need to buy anything else (battery straps, files, lots of wires). But with the QAV you have to buy everything separate and that's when it gets a bit out of control for me. Im not so good with finding and buying accessories, I will most likely think I got everything then when i get it I realise I missed something really important. Im hoping there is a website somewhere that would put all the other things in.  Enough excuses.

I would rather spend more time finding the accessories if I know im going to get the better ending out of the 2. Choices are hard. I might have to go with the QAV then.

It's difficult because you'll always get people's personal preferences, either setup would be awesome but I guess if it's your first then maybe the KISS would be a bit easier (since it has preset PID's and less config options).

My QAV210 came with pretty much the same accessories as the Alien (strap, PDB, XT60), with the exception of the files (make sure you do your research before using them). You can always put the KISS setup on the QAV too, I know 2strokesmoke has done that.

I've always liked the QAV frame, I nearly bought one before I got my ZMR which I got because it was cheap.

Another thing to consider is that ImpulseRC doesn't have resellers so the Alien and any spares you may eventually need are all shipped from Australia.
So unless you live there it will be easier to find spares for the QAV pretty much anywhere else in the world and you'll save yourself potential issues with customs and extra import charges (although they do offer some workaround that may help with this).

I also considered the Alien but went for the QAV-X instead because of the reasons just mentioned

I actually prefer the lisam210 (qav210 clone) over the alien because there is more room for stacking all your components. The Alien PDB and screws takes a lot of space under your stack IMO.

I would ask yourself the real reason behind wanting an Alien.  Is it because "everybody all says it is the best frame out there, it is awesome, everything else sucks type thing", or because pro pilots fly them (sometimes..depends which sponsor hat they have on at the time.)

The Alien is more expensive then the QAV 210, so price is not an issue for you?

If you are wanting an Alien because the top pilots all use them it will not make you a top pilot from the get go. The Frame makers spend thousands of dollars in marketing to try and get your dollar, and honestly, I would bet if any frame maker gave the pro pilots free stuff hand over fist they would all fly there gear as well.

I am playing devils advocate here, Just because a frame costs $150+ does not automatically make it a better frame than a $79 one.

There are guys on here who have $20 frames and love them, The popular frames will always command a higher $, supply and demand thing.  Trust me, you really can buy better first time frames than the QAV210 and or Alien for much less dollars and still get just as much fun out of it.

Only one person can tell you what you should buy, and that is You, and You alone, as you are the one who will fly it, crash it, repair it.

I have 2 QAV 210's and an Alien Clone, and both of them fly pretty similar.

It does come down to personal choice whatever frame you buy, but from my perspective , and I have about 23 quads now, from ZMR-X210, Tweaker 180, QAV 180, 210 , AP-5, Gep VX4, Armattan F1-4 and 5 Acros and a heap more. and to be honest, they all fly great.

All my X style quads fly similar, and all my true X quads fly similar, but compare a true X quad to a X style quad there is a huge difference in how they fly.


Try not to get bogged down with the plethora of frames out there. Some may disagree, but for the most part they all fly pretty much the same.  (so why do I have so many quads? because I am an addict.LOL, and some frames I buy because they look cool..LOL)

(24-Aug-2016, 02:10 PM)BigglesFPV Wrote: I would ask yourself the real reason behind wanting an Alien.  Is it because "everybody all says it is the best frame out there, it is awesome, everything else sucks type thing", or because pro pilots fly them (sometimes..depends which sponsor hat they have on at the time.)

The Alien is more expensive then the QAV 210, so price is not an issue for you?

If you are wanting an Alien because the top pilots all use them it will not make you a top pilot from the get go. The Frame makers spend thousands of dollars in marketing to try and get your dollar, and honestly, I would bet if any frame maker gave the pro pilots free stuff hand over fist they would all fly there gear as well.

I am playing devils advocate here, Just because a frame costs $150+ does not automatically make it a better frame than a $79 one.

There are guys on here who have $20 frames and love them, The popular frames will always command a higher $, supply and demand thing.  Trust me, you really can buy better first time frames than the QAV210 and or Alien for much less dollars and still get just as much fun out of it.

Only one person can tell you what you should buy, and that is You, and You alone, as you are the one who will fly it, crash it, repair it.

I have 2 QAV 210's and an Alien Clone, and both of them fly pretty similar.

It does come down to personal choice whatever frame you buy, but from my perspective , and I have about 23 quads now, from ZMR-X210, Tweaker 180, QAV 180, 210 , AP-5, Gep VX4, Armattan F1-4 and 5 Acros and a heap more. and to be honest, they all fly great.

All my X style quads fly similar, and all my true X quads fly similar, but compare a true X quad to a X style quad there is a huge difference in how they fly.


Try not to get bogged down with the plethora of frames out there. Some may disagree, but for the most part they all fly pretty much the same.  (so why do I have so many quads? because I am an addict.LOL, and some frames I buy because they look cool..LOL)

I don't want to get the alien because all the pros are using it (I will never ever even be close to their level), I just want to find a frame that I think will work well for me, now im stuck between both these frames. From your guys opinions, im guessing I should go with the QAV. Im not so sure what is the best options for the motors, fc etc, so I will have to do some research to cover all that. Thankyou for the help

EDIT: I found these two websites that are saying Alien is better. https://www.reddit.com/r/fpvracing/comme...vs_qav210/
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2480672

As the owner of both frames, and recognising this is your first build, I wouldn't stress too much over which frame. They're both great frames and both have their pros/cons but it took me a couple of years of flying before I could really appreciate them.

Again you can't go wrong with either of those frames!

You're right the electrical components are much more important here and as a beginner, I'd suggest you go with a setup you know works as teething problems with a new build can be frustrating.

For the motors, the DYS SE2205 or the Emax RS2205 are pretty popular and a good bang for the buck IMO.

And this video may help (and hopefully not overwhelm) you with the FC:

I have a friend that is using the Alien with KISS FC, KISS 24A ESC and 2206 2350kv. I was lucky enough to get a small flight and it runs really smooth, im thinking of just getting the same setup as him.

He said he had no problems at the start but I have read on the internet that other people have had some problems, that's from old versions of the FC and im sure they have been updates since then that have fixed it.

Im on the edge of the fence on getting the alien, I might get a second flight and make my final decision.

(25-Aug-2016, 10:48 AM)Savage FPV Wrote: I have a friend that is using the Alien with KISS FC, KISS 24A ESC and 2206 2350kv. I was lucky enough to get a small flight and it runs really smooth, im thinking of just getting the same setup as him.

He said he had no problems at the start but I have read on the internet that other people have had some problems, that's from old versions of the FC and im sure they have been updates since then that have fixed it.

Im on the edge of the fence on getting the alien, I might get a second flight and make my final decision.

It's a widely copied setup as Mr Steele has done build logs on it (I have it too so you have one more person on here to help). In my opinion, if you're not worried about cost and you've got a friend with that setup, go for it. Having a friend who can advise and help when you've git problems is worth its weight in gold.

(25-Aug-2016, 11:04 AM)Sigloss Wrote: It's a widely copied setup as Mr Steele has done build logs on it (I have it too so you have one more person on here to help). In my opinion, if you're not worried about cost and you've got a friend with that setup, go for it. Having a friend who can advise and help when you've git problems is worth its weight in gold.

Ok, Im going to go with the Alien. Maybe in 2 years I can try the QAV

If money isn't a problem, definitely go with an Alien. If it is a problem check out the Martian (a clone). Also, if money is no problem, I have some problems you could solve with it.