I think Drone Camps and others have is the same thing I see with other products outside of FPV. They don't speak ill of anything because the brand won't send them new products in the future.

Joshua Bardwell said:

Quote:The frame is a bit fiddly to build and maintain, and it’s not as durable as some other frames. This isn’t just an issue for concrete bando bashers; even more “normal” pilots may find the balance too far in the direction of “lightweight agility” and not enough in the direction of “heavyweight durability”.

I look for a frame now. A durability is my first priority. Is it true? Is that frame so fragile?

I've had the AOS5v1 and it's been a solid quad for me for freestyle. I've recently built an AOS5o3 and I'm not as impressed with it durability wise to the v1 in the short period of time I've had it. Now I've had some hits that are probably worse than what I've put the v1 through but it feels like I can grab it by opposing arms and feel the frame twist just slightly. None of my other 5" quads including the v1 frame have this twist even a well worn Nazgul v2. I really don't care that the frame looks a mess but I'm not sure it's a good fit for me as a basher.

I'm really thinking to transplant that build onto another frame built with the o3 in mind, maybe the Quadmula.

(25-Mar-2023, 05:54 AM)sevro Wrote: I'm really thinking to transplant that build onto another frame built with the o3 in mind, maybe the Quadmula.

What do you think about Badger https://armattanquads.com/badger-1/  or Badger DJI Edition https://armattanquads.com/badger-dji-edition/ ?

Life time warranty, anyway.

(25-Mar-2023, 08:40 PM)albertly Wrote: What do you think about Badger https://armattanquads.com/badger-1/   or  Badger DJI Edition https://armattanquads.com/badger-dji-edition/    ?

Life time warranty, anyway.

I'm sure it would hold up better than the AOS for bashing if that's how you fly. But I've not used it so I can't really say. It's a name I've heard over but not really hearing about anybody flying it currently. 

Honestly the main reason I went with the AOS was because you can always buy it or spare parts cut to order. I've seen too many popular frames or the spare parts being not available. But with as long as CNCDrones took to ship me my most recent order I could have ordered the frame from anywhere in the world and have it arrive about the same time. Also noticed they stopped offering to chamfer the carbon which was a nice touch when I first started buying there.

(25-Mar-2023, 05:54 AM)sevro Wrote: I'm really thinking to transplant that build onto another frame built with the o3 in mind, maybe the Quadmula.

I have 6 quadmula frames, 4 actually flying right now (3 F5 variants and the F3), cannot recommend. The captive nuts pop out, the CF starts splintering randomly, the plates are super thin. 

For the price they are charging they should come with zero issues. I will say they were good about listening to my concerns and seems like they took them to heart and willl achy on them. 

But the edge lord pumping them up to no end is sponsored by them so I should have taken his 30 minute commercials with a grain of salt. Also should have known he was a shill with his horrible attempt at a forced smile while standing in front of all the adverts. 

Until they fix their issues I won’t pay their high prices. Had they been closer to what they are worth maybe.

(04-Jul-2023, 09:16 PM)Pennywise Wrote: I have 6 quadmula frames, 4 actually flying right now (3 F5 variants and the F3), cannot recommend. The captive nuts pop out, the CF starts splintering randomly, the plates are super thin. 

For the price they are charging they should come with zero issues. I will say they were good about listening to my concerns and seems like they took them to heart and willl achy on them. 

But the edge lord pumping them up to no end is sponsored by them so I should have taken his 30 minute commercials with a grain of salt. Also should have known he was a shill with his horrible attempt at a forced smile while standing in front of all the adverts. 

Until they fix their issues I won’t pay their high prices. Had they been closer to what they are worth maybe.

I've had that build in an F5 split for a few months now and it's been holding up for me in backyard flying. I also tend to let the quad drop when running into issues. After flying deadcat so long I think I'm liking the X frame better. 

I don't know what the answer is on the frame, pretty much everything you've said I've seen written about every frame in this hobby. As for price, everything is expensive so not sure what the answer is there, fly the TBS source one? Then you have availability, no matter what frame, something is going to break eventually. I've tracked a few of the most popular frames over time and they are often out of stock. Good price or overpriced can't help with that at all. I remember trying to buy an Apex a while back and it was out of stock forever, when I eventually got it and went to order some arms then they were out of stock.

I've got a 5" frame design that's pretty solid. Nothing ground breaking as far as design goes as it's pretty basic but I've been flying it for months without any issues. Minimal props in view with the freestyle arms and no props in view with deadcat arms. I've got a DJI O3 config as well as an HDZero/WS/Analog config for it. Will hold any vtx on the market including the giant hdzero freestyle vtx. Few of the local guys fly them too and it's been holding up well. I'll always have spare parts as I cut everything myself in the shop.

Not sure where you're located, but shipping outside the US does get a little pricey. I can ship micro frames for around $20 overseas but I haven't shipped one of the 5" frames overseas yet so I'd have to price it out.

https://ungercnc.com/products/ols/produc...-frame-kit

(06-Jul-2023, 07:39 PM)Lukeman Wrote: I've got a 5" frame design that's pretty solid. Nothing ground breaking as far as design goes as it's pretty basic but I've been flying it for months without any issues. Minimal props in view with the freestyle arms and no props in view with deadcat arms. I've got a DJI O3 config as well as an HDZero/WS/Analog config for it. Will hold any vtx on the market including the giant hdzero freestyle vtx. Few of the local guys fly them too and it's been holding up well. I'll always have spare parts as I cut everything myself in the shop.

Not sure where you're located, but shipping outside the US does get a little pricey. I can ship micro frames for around $20 overseas but I haven't shipped one of the 5" frames overseas yet so I'd have to price it out.

https://ungercnc.com/products/ols/produc...-frame-kit

I really don't push my 5" frames hard enough to break them all the time and I have a backup each of the two I fly the most but I'll certainly try yours next.

(06-Jul-2023, 07:39 PM)Lukeman Wrote: I've got a 5" frame design that's pretty solid. Nothing ground breaking as far as design goes as it's pretty basic but I've been flying it for months without any issues. Minimal props in view with the freestyle arms and no props in view with deadcat arms. I've got a DJI O3 config as well as an HDZero/WS/Analog config for it. Will hold any vtx on the market including the giant hdzero freestyle vtx. Few of the local guys fly them too and it's been holding up well. I'll always have spare parts as I cut everything myself in the shop.

Not sure where you're located, but shipping outside the US does get a little pricey. I can ship micro frames for around $20 overseas but I haven't shipped one of the 5" frames overseas yet so I'd have to price it out.

https://ungercnc.com/products/ols/produc...-frame-kit

 
I have one. A tank.

(04-Jul-2023, 10:55 PM)sevro Wrote: As for price, everything is expensive so not sure what the answer is there, fly the TBS source one?

I know you are half joking, but that frame is actually pretty decent. Sadly everyone knows this and has slowly started increasing the price. 

I know I was bitching about price but to sum up my expectations; Botgrinder is what I expect at that price point. If you are around that price you should have the same build - thick parts that will stand up to some abuse. I have some frames that cost more but are paper thin. This is just what I expect and it can definitely change given the market. 

The LU5 as mentioned earlier is quality and value. To me. Thanks Luke!

Ultimately for me is to get my CNC setup for CF and cut my own. As soon as I find or make a frame that I can see flying forever, then I’ll cut them as I break them, or iterate new elements into the design. I would rather have a laser for that, but I’m not a rich person.

(07-Jul-2023, 12:46 PM)Pennywise Wrote: I know you are half joking, but that frame is actually pretty decent. Sadly everyone knows this and has slowly started increasing the price. 

I know I was bitching about price but to sum up my expectations; Botgrinder is what I expect at that price point. If you are around that price you should have the same build - thick parts that will stand up to some abuse. I have some frames that cost more but are paper thin. This is just what I expect and it can definitely change given the market. 

The LU5 as mentioned earlier is quality and value. To me. Thanks Luke!

Ultimately for me is to get my CNC setup for CF and cut my own. As soon as I find or make a frame that I can see flying forever, then I’ll cut them as I break them, or iterate new elements into the design. I would rather have a laser for that, but I’m not a rich person.

Yeah the LU5 was my very first design and the goal was to make it very easy to build and strong. I also wanted to be able to fit any electronics inside the frame for full protection. With full frame protection, comes the added weight unfortunately. But like you said, it's a tank and it's relatively affordable.

Feel free to email me if you ever want to make your own design. I've been wanting to make a lighter 5" freestyle frame. I could save some extra weight on the LU5 by doing a 2mm bottom plate and adding more cutouts on both bottom and top plate. Might refresh that design in the future and call it a Lite version. Probably do skinnier arms and frame plates as well.

If I ever find enough time to sit down and design one I will definitely get with you for some advice, or help.

But I like the heavier frames, so don't expect a lightweight model from me. I mean, I'm rocking Botgrinders with full big monster feet. And those are heavy!

I'm still undecided on the DC format as well, so I may have to buy an X version if you ever get them in stock. (actually I just bought your last one, at least that is what the site told me). I'd buy the 7" but I think I found the only model I will fly of that from now on.

Thanks for doing what you do, I appreciate the option to buy from a real person. That is a refreshing change in this hobby.